I agree with your caution, Donna. I’ve been tentatively trying out Android for a couple of years now but never have I thought yet I’d move entirely to Android because I find the gestures in TalkBack much less responsive, and tasks take longer to accomplish too. Most of all, I don’t feel as sure-footed using Android as I do iPhone. It may well be due to the fact that I’ve not tried hard enough yet. But I think it’s good for me to learn another OS slowly, trying it on cheaper Android running smart phones, and one can get a decent Android phone for about £200 or less, especially in the US. VoiceOver is in my opinion far superior at the moment. there are for example still issues about activating TalkBack for the first time when setting up a new phone, which we do not have with VoiceOver. I guess since Android is much less controlled in terms of software and hardware, there are bound to be differences. For multilingual users, for instance, iphone automatic language switching and the features that rotor offers are unparalleled. On Android one has at the moment to utilise a piece of software Auto TTS to accomplish this. I just feel that at present Voiceover is much more nimble and its responses quite steady and predictable. But Google is slowly catching up and Android may well become a very serious rival as far as visually impaired users go.
Andrew > On Sep 2, 2018, at 2:21 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > I'll be curious about your experiences. I think I'll start taking a more > serious look at Android phones, but I'll be slow about actually switching > OSes. > Cheers, > Donna > >> On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:16 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Donna, >> >> I too have just started experimenting with Android. It seems that it’s >> moved on quite a bit with TalkBack, and I feel I’m going to fall in love >> with it slowly given the number of phones one can choose from. >> >> Andrew >>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, I may start experimenting with Android. I had an Android phone back >>> in 2010 and hated it, but the experience has probably changed a bit since >>> then. >>> >>> I hope you're right about touch ID, but my guess is that the only place it >>> will be preserved is the iPhone SE. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 12:24 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Donna, >>>> >>>> I couldn't agree with you more. >>>> >>>> I’m hoping that Apple will, in fact, maintain some form of Touch ID. I >>>> just can't imagine that they would completely eliminate such a trusted >>>> form of ID verification. >>>> >>>> Of course, I said the same thing about removing the headphone jack and we >>>> all know how that turned out (smile). >>>> >>>> Personally, I have absolutely no desire to use Face ID. >>>> >>>> Let's just wait and see what happens on September 12th, okay? >>>> >>>> By the way, it is for this and other reasons why I continue to purchase >>>> and use Android devices; you know, just in case Apple takes this big >>>> brother thing, a little too far for my tastes (smile). >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:46 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes >>>> >>>> You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with >>>> Apple. I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an >>>> option for a faster iPhone 8. Face ID sucks. It takes significantly >>>> longer to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky. I'm feeling >>>> resentful that Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have >>>> tried, and do not like. I don't want Face ID. I don't need a ginormous >>>> screen. I sure as h*** don't need three cameras. I'm starting to wonder >>>> if my next phone will be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the >>>> rest from my Mac. I don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I >>>> will use technology. If Apple wants to continue to promote face >>>> recognition to the exclusion of more convenient technologies, that's their >>>> prerogative. But they should have kept a touch option available for those >>>> of us who tried face ID and know it sucks. And as for the new flick up >>>> for home? It sucks, too. Being able to quickly press a home button--be >>>> it actual or virtual--was much more efficient. My only power--small >>>> though it may be--is my purchasing power. And I am really wondering if my >>>> next phone will be a non-Apple product. >>>> >>>> I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel >>>> it's all part of the same thing. Why not leave the chime enabled, or at >>>> least make it an option for those who want it? Why should Apple be >>>> deciding this for us? They seem to want to make an argument that they are >>>> not big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest. >>>> Donna >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Stupid that they removed it. >>>>> >>>>> On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi shaun, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah the line in the web page details that say: >>>>>> Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.” >>>>>> Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh well, other people can keep trying. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM >>>>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts >>>>>> that it doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Shawn, >>>>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air >>>>>> >>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se<mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> Found this link. >>>>>> https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-ne >>>>>> w-macbook-pros.2011044/ >>>>>> Try that and see if it helps. >>>>>> /A >>>>>> >>>>>> 29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty >>>>>> <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Listers >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok so I'm kind of getting hacked off with the fact my new work Mac >>>>>> Book Pro doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers >>>>>> have done since long before I started using Mac products. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to >>>>>> force restart for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to >>>>>> turn off / on the machine I never know when it's restarting until it >>>>>> starts talking to me, If I'm lucky enough for vo to still be >>>>>> talking.I know this effects us all, But have we ever or has anyone >>>>>> ever contacted Apple accessibility to explain that this chime at >>>>>> start up would be really useful to us the sight impaired to know when >>>>>> / if our machines are starting up Or do in my case I just keep >>>>>> thinking the batteries dead and put it on mains power when I don't >>>>>> need to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Slightly P'd off mac book pro user. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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