The arrow keys in conjunction with the rotor provide similar functionality but with the luxury of selecting a specific one from the rotor dialogue itself. On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:20 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> I've got to admit that I really miss the hot keys in JAWS such as c to jump > to combo boxes, b for buttons, h for headers, and the like. I also miss the > way it handles radio buttons. > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> Yup. I use Safari way more than I do I.E. now a days. I honestly couldn't >> stand the internet on my Mac with Leopard. But once Snow Leopard came out >> at the end of August, it changed the game for me. The rotor function along >> with the web spots really help things to move a long for me as far as >> navigating the web. Even the navigation with the arrows... when it decides >> to work) has made Safari on the Mac with voiceover a more enjoyable >> experience. It all depends on the situation too. I like using the internet >> on my Mac when working with sighted people. it is just a more seamless >> transition in my opinion especially if one has a track pad. But if I just >> want to gobble up a large chunk of info really quick I still think jaws and >> windows has an advantage. . >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was VP of Software Engineering at FS when we invented a lot of what is >>> now the common user interface on Windows screen readers. I am proud of the >>> work we did as we certainly moved the art forward. >>> >>> Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things tried to >>> emulate a word processor or some other similar text manipulation >>> application with which a user would already be familiar. This is good in >>> the sense that the learning curve is not too steep but leaves out all of >>> the contextual information a sighted user would have resulting from the >>> juxtaposition of objects in the page's layout. >>> >>> I use both DOM and Groups mode with Safari depending upon the site. A >>> relatively linear site works best with DOM mode as it likes to function in >>> a straight line. Busier sites, however, seem to prefer Groups mode as one >>> can move from big chunk to big chunk rapidly while also learning where >>> objects are in the layout and, by knowing what's near what, you can learn >>> to navigate some sites really quickly and without a lot of caca in between >>> items of value. >>> >>> The trackpad commander is awesome for web browsing but you need either a >>> MacBook or MacBook Pro to enjoy this. A friend over at Serotek told me >>> about a multi-touch trackpad that works both in Windows 7 and Snow Leopard >>> that you can add onto other models but I haven't seen it in action. >>> >>> So, give Safari and the VoiceOver features a bit longer, use the rotor, the >>> item chooser and learn the keystrokes that make web browsing easier and I >>> think you will start to enjoy it more. >>> >>> Of course, JAWS introduced the original virtual buffer system for web >>> browsing back in 1998 and has a lot of time for refinements. It is good >>> but, especially regarding contextual information, is starting to fall >>> behind newer and more forward looking ideas popping up around the AT world. >>> >>> cdh >>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the >>>> web browsing experience on my Mac using Safari with voiceover to be on par >>>> with that of internet explorer and Jaws. For example, Look at the steps >>>> you explained to highlight and copy text "If you interact with text, use >>>> VO-shift-return, you can initiate marking of text and use VO-cursor keys >>>> to navigate and mark that text, then use VO-shift-return to stop marking >>>> the text. FInally command-c will copy that text for you to paste where >>>> you choose. You can also interact with text and use command-a to highlight >>>> all text you can then copy..." On I.E. you would just use shift and the >>>> arrows or some function of navigation commonly used throughout the >>>> Operating system. In Snow Leopard one should be able to use the arrows by >>>> them selves to navigate a web page and with shift to select. This is not >>>> the case most of the time. The folks didn't include this functionality >>>> into snow leopard by accident or just to appease windows converts in my >>>> opinion. They realized that the previous method was just a pain, not to >>>> mention labor intensive in regards to the task actually trying to be >>>> accomplished. I use Dom mode and sometimes voiceover indeed skips over >>>> chunks of information. I am not saying that Safari with Voiceover isn't >>>> serviceable but, by no means in my opinion is it as dependable as I.E. >>>> with Jaws. And this is coming from someone who Uses their Mac as their >>>> primary computer. >>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to use >>>>> Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years now and >>>>> although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO has issues, >>>>> but certainly not to the degree you seem to be having. Reading line by >>>>> line is no problem at all and copying information to the clipboard is >>>>> again, no problem. There is lots of information on how to accomplish both >>>>> tasks and perhaps a little research on your part will help. I'll give >>>>> you a tip. If you interact with text, use VO-shift-return, you can >>>>> initiate marking of text and use VO-cursor keys to navigate and mark that >>>>> text, then use VO-shift-return to stop marking the text. FInally >>>>> command-c will copy that text for you to paste where you choose. You can >>>>> also interact with text and use command-a to highlight all text you can >>>>> then copy. You coming from windows and using IE may find DOM mode more >>>>> like your browsing experience under windows using a windows-based screen >>>>> reader. If your using Groups mode, you are going to find the navigation >>>>> of the page not to be linear as is provided by DOM mode. Groups mode >>>>> gives a more accurate representation of how the page is laid out unlike >>>>> DOM mode. >>>>> Once you have used Safari a while, I think you will find it will meet >>>>> your needs just fine. I am not so sure that even if Firefox is made >>>>> accessible, you will find the browsing experience significantly >>>>> different. I think what you will find is some differences in browsing >>>>> experience as far as how some sites behave, but assuming Mozilla >>>>> leverages the accessibility hooks of VO, the navigation will likely be >>>>> quite similar. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh I would so love to have an alternative to Safari! I'm a fairly >>>>>> recent switcher and I don't miss Windows at all except that I totally >>>>>> and absolutely miss the great accessibility I had with IE. I hate the >>>>>> fact that I can't read line by line or copy web page text to the >>>>>> clipboard and he disturbing thing with VO and >>>>>> Safari is that I find that whole parts of pages are not read at all. I >>>>>> think Safari is the app I most dislike on the Mac. Everything else >>>>>> about the Mac is wonderful. >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to trying out Firefox with VO working someday. FF has >>>>>>> really good ARIA support so it would be nice to have a browser on the >>>>>>> Mac that works well with this standard. Safari currently is weak. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This morning I posted a new blog article on my site: First Glance at >>>>>>>> Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow Leopard, which can be accessed at >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ygkfqoj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,Everett >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > carlene knight > http://carleneknight.blogspot.com > [email protected] > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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