Hi, Man, that didn't work with making it think it's Firefox.
To set the sweet spot, you have to press VO-Command-}}. Unfortunately, this is another command you can't do on Danish keyboards at least without changing the layout. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: [email protected] AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > Could you tell me how to set a sweet spot? > On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:32 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I use web spots, but always auto web spots. I never set my own. And that's >> because The VoiceOver is always right. It's outsmarted me on many occasions. >> That may not be very hard to do, but VoiceOver is doing a fantastic job of >> it. >> >> Oh, and I sometimes use the "sweet spot". At first, I thought it sounded >> dirtier than it really is when it was first introduced. But I like it. It's >> a pretty sweet feature, and it's very efficient. >> >> What else? Oh, right. Bug with proper selection by words, characters or >> lines has to be fixed in 10.6.3. Prediction. Wrong? We'll see! >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> >> P.S: I've had too much coffee for this post. Oh, and has anyone noticed >> that, if you write the word "do", Alex says "to"? Do not let yourselves be >> fooled. It's actually D O, but it only applies at the beginning of a >> sentence or on its own.. >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Ya know, i must be stupid or somesuch, but i never got the hang of the hole >>> webspot jazz. I just use arrows to navigate around. Ok it's slow going but >>> it works. I find webspots to place me either to far above or below things i >>> want to go to and so i have to sift through things to get there anyway and >>> so i sift through the hole page. Also, i have found, and i don't know if >>> i'm the only one, that vo+arrow keys treats web pages as different objects >>> when highlighted, so i can only select one line/paragraph at a time and >>> then VO acts as if i had reached the end of a group. I only use groups >>> mode. (I figured if i should use new things, it's best to use the new >>> things all the time, lol.) >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> 11 feb 2010 kl. 15.46 skrev Ricardo Walker: >>> >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> >>>> Yup. I use Safari way more than I do I.E. now a days. I honestly >>>> couldn't stand the internet on my Mac with Leopard. But once Snow Leopard >>>> came out at the end of August, it changed the game for me. The rotor >>>> function along with the web spots really help things to move a long for me >>>> as far as navigating the web. Even the navigation with the arrows... when >>>> it decides to work) has made Safari on the Mac with voiceover a more >>>> enjoyable experience. It all depends on the situation too. I like using >>>> the internet on my Mac when working with sighted people. it is just a >>>> more seamless transition in my opinion especially if one has a track pad. >>>> But if I just want to gobble up a large chunk of info really quick I still >>>> think jaws and windows has an advantage. . >>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was VP of Software Engineering at FS when we invented a lot of what is >>>>> now the common user interface on Windows screen readers. I am proud of >>>>> the work we did as we certainly moved the art forward. >>>>> >>>>> Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things tried >>>>> to emulate a word processor or some other similar text manipulation >>>>> application with which a user would already be familiar. This is good in >>>>> the sense that the learning curve is not too steep but leaves out all of >>>>> the contextual information a sighted user would have resulting from the >>>>> juxtaposition of objects in the page's layout. >>>>> >>>>> I use both DOM and Groups mode with Safari depending upon the site. A >>>>> relatively linear site works best with DOM mode as it likes to function >>>>> in a straight line. Busier sites, however, seem to prefer Groups mode as >>>>> one can move from big chunk to big chunk rapidly while also learning >>>>> where objects are in the layout and, by knowing what's near what, you can >>>>> learn to navigate some sites really quickly and without a lot of caca in >>>>> between items of value. >>>>> >>>>> The trackpad commander is awesome for web browsing but you need either a >>>>> MacBook or MacBook Pro to enjoy this. A friend over at Serotek told me >>>>> about a multi-touch trackpad that works both in Windows 7 and Snow >>>>> Leopard that you can add onto other models but I haven't seen it in >>>>> action. >>>>> >>>>> So, give Safari and the VoiceOver features a bit longer, use the rotor, >>>>> the item chooser and learn the keystrokes that make web browsing easier >>>>> and I think you will start to enjoy it more. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, JAWS introduced the original virtual buffer system for web >>>>> browsing back in 1998 and has a lot of time for refinements. It is good >>>>> but, especially regarding contextual information, is starting to fall >>>>> behind newer and more forward looking ideas popping up around the AT >>>>> world. >>>>> >>>>> cdh >>>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the >>>>>> web browsing experience on my Mac using Safari with voiceover to be on >>>>>> par with that of internet explorer and Jaws. For example, Look at the >>>>>> steps you explained to highlight and copy text "If you interact with >>>>>> text, use VO-shift-return, you can initiate marking of text and use >>>>>> VO-cursor keys to navigate and mark that text, then use VO-shift-return >>>>>> to stop marking the text. FInally command-c will copy that text for you >>>>>> to paste where you choose. You can also interact with text and use >>>>>> command-a to highlight all text you can then copy..." On I.E. you would >>>>>> just use shift and the arrows or some function of navigation commonly >>>>>> used throughout the Operating system. In Snow Leopard one should be >>>>>> able to use the arrows by them selves to navigate a web page and with >>>>>> shift to select. This is not the case most of the time. The folks >>>>>> didn't include this functionality into snow leopard by accident or just >>>>>> to appease windows converts in my opinion. They realized that the >>>>>> previous method was just a pain, not to mention labor intensive in >>>>>> regards to the task actually trying to be accomplished. I use Dom mode >>>>>> and sometimes voiceover indeed skips over chunks of information. I am >>>>>> not saying that Safari with Voiceover isn't serviceable but, by no means >>>>>> in my opinion is it as dependable as I.E. with Jaws. And this is coming >>>>>> from someone who Uses their Mac as their primary computer. >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to use >>>>>>> Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years now and >>>>>>> although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO has issues, >>>>>>> but certainly not to the degree you seem to be having. Reading line by >>>>>>> line is no problem at all and copying information to the clipboard is >>>>>>> again, no problem. There is lots of information on how to accomplish >>>>>>> both tasks and perhaps a little research on your part will help. I'll >>>>>>> give you a tip. If you interact with text, use VO-shift-return, you >>>>>>> can initiate marking of text and use VO-cursor keys to navigate and >>>>>>> mark that text, then use VO-shift-return to stop marking the text. >>>>>>> FInally command-c will copy that text for you to paste where you >>>>>>> choose. You can also interact with text and use command-a to highlight >>>>>>> all text you can then copy. You coming from windows and using IE may >>>>>>> find DOM mode more like your browsing experience under windows using a >>>>>>> windows-based screen reader. If your using Groups mode, you are going >>>>>>> to find the navigation of the page not to be linear as is provided by >>>>>>> DOM mode. Groups mode gives a more accurate representation of how the >>>>>>> page is laid out unlike DOM mode. >>>>>>> Once you have used Safari a while, I think you will find it will meet >>>>>>> your needs just fine. I am not so sure that even if Firefox is made >>>>>>> accessible, you will find the browsing experience significantly >>>>>>> different. I think what you will find is some differences in browsing >>>>>>> experience as far as how some sites behave, but assuming Mozilla >>>>>>> leverages the accessibility hooks of VO, the navigation will likely be >>>>>>> quite similar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh I would so love to have an alternative to Safari! I'm a fairly >>>>>>>> recent switcher and I don't miss Windows at all except that I totally >>>>>>>> and absolutely miss the great accessibility I had with IE. I hate the >>>>>>>> fact that I can't read line by line or copy web page text to the >>>>>>>> clipboard and he disturbing thing with VO and >>>>>>>> Safari is that I find that whole parts of pages are not read at all. >>>>>>>> I think Safari is the app I most dislike on the Mac. Everything else >>>>>>>> about the Mac is wonderful. >>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to trying out Firefox with VO working someday. FF has >>>>>>>>> really good ARIA support so it would be nice to have a browser on the >>>>>>>>> Mac that works well with this standard. Safari currently is weak. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This morning I posted a new blog article on my site: First Glance at >>>>>>>>>> Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow Leopard, which can be accessed at >>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ygkfqoj >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,Everett >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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