Hi, Could you tell me how to set a sweet spot? On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:32 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> Hi, > > I use web spots, but always auto web spots. I never set my own. And that's > because The VoiceOver is always right. It's outsmarted me on many occasions. > That may not be very hard to do, but VoiceOver is doing a fantastic job of it. > > Oh, and I sometimes use the "sweet spot". At first, I thought it sounded > dirtier than it really is when it was first introduced. But I like it. It's a > pretty sweet feature, and it's very efficient. > > What else? Oh, right. Bug with proper selection by words, characters or lines > has to be fixed in 10.6.3. Prediction. Wrong? We'll see! > > Regards, > Nic > > P.S: I've had too much coffee for this post. Oh, and has anyone noticed that, > if you write the word "do", Alex says "to"? Do not let yourselves be fooled. > It's actually D O, but it only applies at the beginning of a sentence or on > its own.. > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: [email protected] > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Ya know, i must be stupid or somesuch, but i never got the hang of the hole >> webspot jazz. I just use arrows to navigate around. Ok it's slow going but >> it works. I find webspots to place me either to far above or below things i >> want to go to and so i have to sift through things to get there anyway and >> so i sift through the hole page. Also, i have found, and i don't know if i'm >> the only one, that vo+arrow keys treats web pages as different objects when >> highlighted, so i can only select one line/paragraph at a time and then VO >> acts as if i had reached the end of a group. I only use groups mode. (I >> figured if i should use new things, it's best to use the new things all the >> time, lol.) >> /Krister >> >> >> 11 feb 2010 kl. 15.46 skrev Ricardo Walker: >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> Yup. I use Safari way more than I do I.E. now a days. I honestly >>> couldn't stand the internet on my Mac with Leopard. But once Snow Leopard >>> came out at the end of August, it changed the game for me. The rotor >>> function along with the web spots really help things to move a long for me >>> as far as navigating the web. Even the navigation with the arrows... when >>> it decides to work) has made Safari on the Mac with voiceover a more >>> enjoyable experience. It all depends on the situation too. I like using >>> the internet on my Mac when working with sighted people. it is just a more >>> seamless transition in my opinion especially if one has a track pad. But >>> if I just want to gobble up a large chunk of info really quick I still >>> think jaws and windows has an advantage. . >>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was VP of Software Engineering at FS when we invented a lot of what is >>>> now the common user interface on Windows screen readers. I am proud of the >>>> work we did as we certainly moved the art forward. >>>> >>>> Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things tried to >>>> emulate a word processor or some other similar text manipulation >>>> application with which a user would already be familiar. This is good in >>>> the sense that the learning curve is not too steep but leaves out all of >>>> the contextual information a sighted user would have resulting from the >>>> juxtaposition of objects in the page's layout. >>>> >>>> I use both DOM and Groups mode with Safari depending upon the site. A >>>> relatively linear site works best with DOM mode as it likes to function in >>>> a straight line. Busier sites, however, seem to prefer Groups mode as one >>>> can move from big chunk to big chunk rapidly while also learning where >>>> objects are in the layout and, by knowing what's near what, you can learn >>>> to navigate some sites really quickly and without a lot of caca in between >>>> items of value. >>>> >>>> The trackpad commander is awesome for web browsing but you need either a >>>> MacBook or MacBook Pro to enjoy this. A friend over at Serotek told me >>>> about a multi-touch trackpad that works both in Windows 7 and Snow Leopard >>>> that you can add onto other models but I haven't seen it in action. >>>> >>>> So, give Safari and the VoiceOver features a bit longer, use the rotor, >>>> the item chooser and learn the keystrokes that make web browsing easier >>>> and I think you will start to enjoy it more. >>>> >>>> Of course, JAWS introduced the original virtual buffer system for web >>>> browsing back in 1998 and has a lot of time for refinements. It is good >>>> but, especially regarding contextual information, is starting to fall >>>> behind newer and more forward looking ideas popping up around the AT world. >>>> >>>> cdh >>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the >>>>> web browsing experience on my Mac using Safari with voiceover to be on >>>>> par with that of internet explorer and Jaws. For example, Look at the >>>>> steps you explained to highlight and copy text "If you interact with >>>>> text, use VO-shift-return, you can initiate marking of text and use >>>>> VO-cursor keys to navigate and mark that text, then use VO-shift-return >>>>> to stop marking the text. FInally command-c will copy that text for you >>>>> to paste where you choose. You can also interact with text and use >>>>> command-a to highlight all text you can then copy..." On I.E. you would >>>>> just use shift and the arrows or some function of navigation commonly >>>>> used throughout the Operating system. In Snow Leopard one should be able >>>>> to use the arrows by them selves to navigate a web page and with shift to >>>>> select. This is not the case most of the time. The folks didn't include >>>>> this functionality into snow leopard by accident or just to appease >>>>> windows converts in my opinion. They realized that the previous method >>>>> was just a pain, not to mention labor intensive in regards to the task >>>>> actually trying to be accomplished. I use Dom mode and sometimes >>>>> voiceover indeed skips over chunks of information. I am not saying that >>>>> Safari with Voiceover isn't serviceable but, by no means in my opinion is >>>>> it as dependable as I.E. with Jaws. And this is coming from someone who >>>>> Uses their Mac as their primary computer. >>>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to use >>>>>> Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years now and >>>>>> although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO has issues, >>>>>> but certainly not to the degree you seem to be having. Reading line by >>>>>> line is no problem at all and copying information to the clipboard is >>>>>> again, no problem. There is lots of information on how to accomplish >>>>>> both tasks and perhaps a little research on your part will help. I'll >>>>>> give you a tip. If you interact with text, use VO-shift-return, you can >>>>>> initiate marking of text and use VO-cursor keys to navigate and mark >>>>>> that text, then use VO-shift-return to stop marking the text. FInally >>>>>> command-c will copy that text for you to paste where you choose. You can >>>>>> also interact with text and use command-a to highlight all text you can >>>>>> then copy. You coming from windows and using IE may find DOM mode more >>>>>> like your browsing experience under windows using a windows-based screen >>>>>> reader. If your using Groups mode, you are going to find the navigation >>>>>> of the page not to be linear as is provided by DOM mode. Groups mode >>>>>> gives a more accurate representation of how the page is laid out unlike >>>>>> DOM mode. >>>>>> Once you have used Safari a while, I think you will find it will meet >>>>>> your needs just fine. I am not so sure that even if Firefox is made >>>>>> accessible, you will find the browsing experience significantly >>>>>> different. I think what you will find is some differences in browsing >>>>>> experience as far as how some sites behave, but assuming Mozilla >>>>>> leverages the accessibility hooks of VO, the navigation will likely be >>>>>> quite similar. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh I would so love to have an alternative to Safari! I'm a fairly >>>>>>> recent switcher and I don't miss Windows at all except that I totally >>>>>>> and absolutely miss the great accessibility I had with IE. I hate the >>>>>>> fact that I can't read line by line or copy web page text to the >>>>>>> clipboard and he disturbing thing with VO and >>>>>>> Safari is that I find that whole parts of pages are not read at all. I >>>>>>> think Safari is the app I most dislike on the Mac. Everything else >>>>>>> about the Mac is wonderful. >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking forward to trying out Firefox with VO working someday. FF has >>>>>>>> really good ARIA support so it would be nice to have a browser on the >>>>>>>> Mac that works well with this standard. Safari currently is weak. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This morning I posted a new blog article on my site: First Glance at >>>>>>>>> Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow Leopard, which can be accessed at >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ygkfqoj >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,Everett >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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