That's great news, Kevin. And definitely something for all of us to remember.
Mark From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:07 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Apple mail insists upon replying from a dead me.com e-mail address when the original e-mail came to my iCloud.com address. Can't seem to prevent this Guys, I don’t believe it. I think I’ve just fixed this. The problem was local, as guys from rwp originally surmised. I went intoApple Mail/Preferences/E-mail Accounts. I looked at my iCloud account and looked at mailbox behaviors. It turned out that the address for that account was shown as [email protected]. I clicked on it and was able to change it to [email protected]. As a test, I sent this note to the RWP list as a reply to an existing message. I noticed that, as never before, replying to a message from [email protected] now shows the sender address as [email protected] and not [email protected] as before. when I hit Send, the message was sent and appeared in my inbox because I receive all messages from this list. Problem solved! Thanks again for all the patience and help. I apologize for all the traffic and clutter. Best, Kevin On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 12:35:45 AM UTC-5, Kevin Gibbs wrote: guys, Guys, I’ve read Simon’s comments and everyone else and I need to say that I am hopelessly confused. Let me restate the situation for those who joined late. 1. a few years ago, I subscribed to a mailing list called Reapers Without Peepers. It was hosted by a hosting service called bluegrasspals.com. So, the message e-mail address was [email protected]. At least I think that’s it. I subscribed to this list using [email protected]. I did this because I wanted my e-mail from this list to be in a general mailbox apart from my gmail mailbox that I use for business and general purpose correspondence. 2. A few months back, this mailing list migrated from bluegrasspals.com to groups.io. So, now the mailing address was [email protected]. I decided to unsubscribe my me.com address and resubscribe to Reapers Without Peepers at the Groups.io site using my iCloud.com address. This had been created when me.com essentially “went away.” As a side note, I should say that my me.com address continues to function in a few rare cases where it appears to be grandfathered, somehow. But in the main, If accidentally send from me.com, nobody sees what I send. 3. I soon discovered that, for reasons I never quite understood, I could post to [email protected] using the iCloud.com address and the e-mail would post. However, and this is the critical part, whenever anyone posted to the list and I replied to that post, my default sender address would not, repeat NOT be iCloud.com. It would be me.com. The only solution would be to always be aware that all outgoing replies, as distinct from original posts, would be sent via me.com, not iCloud.com. In such a case, it would be essential to make sure act I had changed the sending e-mail address to iCloud from me. To the best of my knowledge, I have promoted my iCloud.com address to be the primary address associated with my iPhone. I have removed me.com such that it can’t be used to reach me on FaceTime or on my devices, so far as I know. However, I can’t remove it from the list of outgoing e-mail addresses available in Mac Mail, nor can I remove it from my iPhone because it’s an Apple ID. When I turn that off on my iPhone 7, my entire iCloud mailbox disappears from my iPhone. I can post an original message to RWP from iCloud.com and it will show up. But every time I reply to a post, I have to be very careful to change the sender address from me.com to iCloud.com and I need to add that’s really ticking me off, to put it politely! If it is absolutely impossible to eliminate the need to make this extra step when sending to this particular mailing list, I guess I’ll just have to deal with it. I have years of correspondence wit this list as either me.com or iCloud.com. That correspondence is all in my iCloud inbox. I don’t want to unsubscribe and resubscribe with my Gmail address because that would effect the purpose of leaving my RWP e-mail in my iCloud mailbox going forward. Tim has graciously agreed to meet with me tomorrow. I’m hoping he has Team Viewer or some other means of remoting into my Mac mini. I suppose I could dial into iCloud using my DAW, a Windows 10 machine with Team Viewer, if that would be of any help. I don’t have Team Viewer or any other similar software on my Mac mini and I guess we’ll have to talk about that. I think it would be best if he could see my iCloud screens to have the greatest possible appreciation of my exact situation with e-mail addresses, aliases, and the like. I think I’ve explained everything of consequence. Is there anyway to expunge me.com from the list of outgoing e-mail addresses in Mac Mail? There is no me.com account in either preferences or internet accounts. Is there a server I should hose? I look forward to any available resolution. Thanks, Kevin I need to say that I am now h On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:46:02 PM UTC-5, Simon Fogarty wrote: HI Mark, Kevin doesn’t' want to change his apple id but move them so the icloud address is the primary in his mail account, And the me.comm becomes his alias The apple id should't be changed, My apple id's are all alias addresses to my primary mail box. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2019 3:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Apple mail insists upon replying from a dead me.com e-mail address when the original e-mail came to my iCloud.com address. Can't seem to prevent this Hello Tim, Thank you for the follow up. Yes, I see the problem with my suggestion. Based on my understanding, Apple states that an Apple ID cannot be changed if the ID is an @me.com, @Mac.com or @iCloud.com address. Were Kevin's primary email address a third-party email, then he could, indeed, promote and @me, @Mac, or @iCloud alias to become his new Apple ID. However, once having done that, he would not be able to change that ID, again. The point is that once any Apple-owned domain email is set as an Apple ID, that's it. Actually, now that I think about it; I have done this, myself. This is to say, I removed an alias from one of my Apple accounts and in less than a minute, I was able to use it as an Apple ID. So, assuming this is still the case, Cannot Kevin separate the alias from his old Apple ID and then, simply merge the two IDs into one? I know that Apple does allow this. I believe that this would preserve his purchase history, etc. Mark From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple mail insists upon replying from a dead me.com e-mail address when the original e-mail came to my iCloud.com address. Can't seem to prevent this Hi mark, At the moment, his primary eMail address for the Apple ID is the older me.com address with the iCloud being an alias of the older original address. Yes, one could delete the alias and create a separate Apple ID for this, but that does two negative things. First, if any purchases are connected to the origianal Apple ID, they would no longer be associated with the iCloud address which is the one he now uses. Second, I believe that the iCloud alias address would be reserved for a period of time even though it has been deleted, thus making it unusable until it is released for use. Sorry, I did send the primary instructions to Kevin off-list already, although he told me that it didn't work for him. Essentially, what I suggested was to promote the iCloud address to be the primary Apple ID instead of the older me.com address. This should make it so that the outgoing messages are definitely coming from the iCloud address. Apple outlines the process here. After this has been done, I believe that the problem should be solved. Although, Kevin mentioned that he was unsuccessful. We will be connecting in a more direct way hopefully tomorrow to see where the problem lies. This process is sound and should work and after 30 days or so, he should be able to delete the older me.com address. It will likely remain unable to be deleted initially as it takes a bit to release the primary address as far as I'm aware. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 24, 2019, at 20:38, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Kevin and Tim, Unless list members have some kind of objection, I would ask that this thread remain, on-list, as I would like to learn of Tim's solution to this problem. Tim, as I see it, cannot Kevin simply remove his iCloud alias from his @me.com Apple ID and turn it into its own, independent, Apple ID? Mark From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:07 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Apple mail insists upon replying from a dead me.com e-mail address when the original e-mail came to my iCloud.com address. Can't seem to prevent this Tim, YOu've got it exactly. If you can lend a hand, please let me know best way to contact you privately. You can keep the thread here if you like. thanks in advance, Kevin On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 5:37:23 PM UTC-5, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, Many years ago, I subscribed to a Reaper mailing list using my [email protected] address. This address is now long dead. I have since unsubscribed and resubscribed to this mailing list using [email protected]. However, even though my e-mails from this list come to my iCloud address, hitting reply automatically populates the sending address as [email protected]. If I don’t happen to remember to click on the outgoing address and change it to [email protected], the mail will be sent to nowhere and it will take a few days for me to realize that the reason I haven’t heard from whatever I asked about is because nobody saw what I wrote. I have tried my best to make sure that [email protected] is toast. It is no longer present as a sender’s e-mail address. But it remains as an option in the list of e-mail addresses I can choose when sending e-mails. In fact, if I am currently highlighting an e-mail that came to my iCloud account, initiating a blank e-mail appears to populate the From field with [email protected], regardless of what e-mail address I actually want in the From field. I can’t remove this me.com address as an option in the From field no matter what I do. Can anyone help? Thanks, Kevin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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