Hi Tim, 
Yes, all of my audio books were purchased through the iTunes book store. I do 
remember on Mojave I had to find my purchases and download them again into 
iTunes and once I upgraded those downloaded books obviously came over to the 
books app in Catalina.  When I connected my phone yesterday I might have been 
doing it wrong as I tried one more time before going to work and it told me 
that it couldn’t sink all of my books as my Mac wasn’t authorised. So I found 
the option to authorise it and it told me that I just re-authorised it. 
 I tried to find my purchases in the books app but it is well hidden. I don’t 
think apple made these seperate apps in Catalina very intuitive, I know people 
used to complain about the old iTunes but at least we could get things done. 
Now that I’ve reauthorised my Mac I might try and sink with the phone again, 
but not sure if I can be bothered today as I spent most of yesterday getting 
frustrated with the hole thing.  

> On 13/01/2020, at 16:37, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Are all the books on your iPhone purchased through the iTunes Store?  I have 
> yet to figure out how to make it list the missing ones if they are from the 
> iTunes Book Store, but if you know the titles, you can search for them in the 
> Book Store on your Mac, and it will have a Download button instead of the 
> price.  You can simply download it from there.  I will keep looking tomorrow 
> to see if I can figure out a more automated process for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 12, 2020, at 20:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> 
>   I just checked my books on the iPad and have all of them.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 1/12/2020 5:00 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Hehehe, Well I did and found something and checked something that said 
>> download books automatically and it told me that my books will be downloaded 
>> on all devices but I’ll need to enter my password after 15 minutes if I 
>> purchase on another device to download to my second device or something like 
>> that. But it didn’t change anything as I still have four more audio books on 
>> my phone than on my Mac. I’m certainly giving up for today as I’m ready to 
>> strangle someone at Apple and I don’t know who yet. Thanks for all your 
>> patients and I’ve never had this much trouble sinking my pone phone and Mac 
>> as it usually works perfectly.
>>> On 13/01/2020, at 13:26, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   With the Books app running on the Mac, go to the menu bar, Store, then 
>>> view my account. See if there is a purchased section there.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2020 4:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>> Yeah, but I still can’t find my for missing audio books.
>>>>> On 13/01/2020, at 13:10, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   You made progress. you cannot give up now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/12/2020 4:03 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>>> I finally found the sink options and selected audio books, and did a VO 
>>>>>> space on the sink button.  I walked away for about 10 minutes to eat my 
>>>>>> apple pie and then I selected books just to make sure and sinked those 
>>>>>> as well. Now if I look in my books app on the Mac it still tells me I 
>>>>>> have 17 audio books and on my books app on the phone I have 21 audio 
>>>>>> books. So I’m not sure where those 4 audio books are hiding. I’m about 
>>>>>> to give up as it’s not worth it.
>>>>>>> On 13/01/2020, at 12:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   The Finder is worth learning to use. Once you are on iPhone do a vo 
>>>>>>> plus j. Follow my instructions from there and get to the sync options.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/12/2020 3:25 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not a lot, but I found the side bar and interacted with it and can’t 
>>>>>>>> find anything about the iPhone, except for the  eject button. Like I 
>>>>>>>> said, I’ve never needed to use it as my music sinks perfectly and I’ve 
>>>>>>>> never had to connect my phone via USB.
>>>>>>>>> On 13/01/2020, at 12:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Petrus,
>>>>>>>>>   Have you used Finder at all on the Mac? On the left is the sidebar 
>>>>>>>>> where you can select folders and drives.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2020 3:09 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, that really doesn’t help. I’m sure it makes sense to most 
>>>>>>>>>> people but I still don’t know what I’m doing. One of your  first 
>>>>>>>>>> message from yesterday you said to go into find and the side bar or 
>>>>>>>>>> something like that, I’m still lost and if I find anything to do 
>>>>>>>>>> with my iPhone it just gives me the option to eject it. So I need 
>>>>>>>>>> step buy step dummy instructions or I’m going to go slightly mad.
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/01/2020, at 11:28, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
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>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>   VO plus j is the ump command. Used in Finder windows and many 
>>>>>>>>>>> other places too.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
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>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2020 12:46 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I have know idea what you are talking about. You say jump 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the next window, I would if I  knew how. I can’t do the same as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> when one sinks music as I’ve never had to do this as my Mac and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone have always been perfectly sinked as far as music goes. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve never really connected  via a usb cable before so have know 
>>>>>>>>>>>> idea what I’m doing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/01/2020, at 09:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petrus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   After you connect the iPhone via USB jump to the next window, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop interacting with the general area and find the toggle 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buttons, one of which is Audio. Select that then find the sync 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. You can choose to sync all or selected books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I don't use wi-fi for this as I prefer to have more control 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over what is going on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2020 11:35 AM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I got lost trying to sink my devices connecting up with a usb 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable I thought I’d try something else. Thought I could find my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchased books in the book store on the Mac and download them, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I couldn’t find purchased items.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/01/2020, at 05:38, Dave Carlson <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that makes sense. The books app on the iPhone plays audio, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but Mac Mojave OSx had not been caught up to that capability. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m still using Mojave, since I’ve not yet finished my Federal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Income Tax preparations. Don’t want to booger up stuff until 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that’s behind me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Carlson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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