I find that I use screen readers and treat them as they are all tools in the toolbox the more I know the better off I’ll be. However this being said it’s so maddening win one aspect to an application or website just doesn’t work on one operating system and then I throw it on something else it doesn’t work and then I go to the third option and it works fine. I was playing with an app yesterday that works the best on Chromebook who would’ve guessed? It just sucks that I have to pick and choose the operating systems to get the best results for that particular application why can’t I just use the application the way I like on any operating system I like?
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > > Jason, > You raise an issue that frankly baffles me. > why is it not possible for an individual to choose a single operating > system and have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint? > why is it an acceptable situation to need multiple devices in various > systems to complete tasks. > It certainly was not always the case. > I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but > those should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the > accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program > being used. > I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a > single task then incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the > windows arena. > Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that > controlling punctuation should not be something a user can do on the > Android platform. Yet text to speech is not a screen reader, with google > failing to understand this a major concern. > as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have > the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe > access is an impossibility in general. > However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started > with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that a screen > reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the > physical functions the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body. > Kare > Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive > technology owns? > > > >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote: >> >> I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what >> I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver >> users significantly. >> >> >> >> Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s >> why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For >> example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last >> week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows side. Fortunately, >> the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, >> so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really >> shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, >> but that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss >> application and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility >> regressions there either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers >> to work around bugs. In my experience, the Mac has had its share of >> accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been using it since 2014. Some >> applications are more accessible under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice >> versa. >> >> >> >> I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair >> comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple >> operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task >> requires, to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose >> two operating systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, >> and use those exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an >> accessibility perspective for me within the short term or even the medium >> term. It just isn’t workable, given the quality problems across multiple >> platforms. iOS is adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop >> situation is more complex – and that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and >> therefore where I notice the problems more. Everyone’s situation is >> different, of course, and, as usual, the people with less technical >> knowledge will be >> >> The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems – on >> whichever platform they’re using. It’s the same everywhere. >> >> >> >> From: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of joseph >> hodge >> >> <josephlho...@gmail.com> >> Reply-To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38 >> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1 >> >> >> >> You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave >> no reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care. >> >> >> >> I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one >> but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read >> all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left >> Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see >> how they are. Hope you find what your looking for. >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on >> accessibility? >> >> >> >> Later... >> >> >> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> >> Jamf Certified Tech >> >> Apple Teacher >> >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> >> >> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & >> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws. 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