Hi Andrew,

Yes, you certainly have occasion to be frustrated.  One thing to note, Apple 
Accessibility is simply a support line.  They are not the developers, nor do 
they have a direct line to the developer team.  They can, though, escalate 
items easier than you or I, so I do understand your frustration.  I will pass 
your concern on to an Apple SE or two to see if they can direct it to the 
relevant team members to see if it can be addressed sooner rather than later.  
Regarding how easy the problem is to fix, I can't be sure other than to say 
that it's often easier from the outside than it is from the inside when it 
comes to lengthy and complicated code.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2020, at 04:28, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I think frustration sometimes makes us speak to generally.  My ongoing 
complaint about Apple’s accessibility indifference to an issue I’ve been 
reporting for over 4 years is their ignoring thus far the Greek voice bug where 
the Greek voice, be it native to Apple or infovox ivox instead of reading text 
properly, spells it out, which renders it useless.  I think 4 years is a very 
long time and I am having to keep one of my macs on Sierra in order to be able 
to work and enjoy the greek speech.  This is really beginning to irritate me.  
I have been beta testing as well and have been reporting this problem for over 
4 years as well ever since High Sierra.  I have recently been on the phone to 
Apple Accessibility begging them to fix this.  I don’t think it is very hard to 
correct this problem and yet they haven’t.  The latest Catalina beta has 
retained this bug too.  Every time there’s a new release of beta for testing, I 
send a bug report and it’s beginning to feel like a joke.  I don’t quite know 
what to do because one day I will have to give up my Sierra running laptop 
either because it fails or when the OS becomes unsupported.  So hence I’m 
playing around with Windows again very very reluctantly.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 9 Apr 2020, at 21:31, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> <Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com <mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
> accessibility?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & 
> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
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>> Hi!
>> I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
>> SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
>> /A
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