First, no need to apologize. You did care, so you replied to my thread and tried to help me.
I’m mad with the idea itself, that navigating through arrow keys is very good for productivity and not good for durability of the keyboard which we use almost for everything. If it is a trade off to make, I do accept it, but I hope there will be solution that is easy to apply. Something else that makes me mad is that I’m using 2016 15” MBP that uses butterfly mechanism. This mechanism will be supported for a couple of years to come, I don’t remember how much exactly, but can be replaced nowadays. The reason for mentioning NVDA on windows, that it does not rely on right and left arrow keys as Voiceover on Mac. Or so was my usage. What is the point for me to spend 9K EGP for a keyboard replacement that will prevent me from using my MBP for whatever period of time and I use my MBP in my work?! I replaced my keyboard before in early 2019 and I was having problems in my university since it took around 6 weeks for Apple authorized service provider to replace the keyboard. Now, I use it for my work, so I can’t live without it more than a single day in the weekend. Plus, this keyboard will fail most probably after 2 and half years, when most likely I won’t be able to get replacement for it. And of course, getting a couple of keyboards and keep them with me may not be a good idea because of the price mainly. Getting a Mac mini seams a better and cheaper option and it is easier to replace its keyboard. I hope my point is clear now. I’m sorry I didn’t mean to attack you in any way. I’m just mad of these mentioned points above. Thank you so much for understanding, Regards, Mohamed E. Fayed > On 9 Jun 2021, at 4:53 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I apologize if I gave you the impression that I didn’t care about your > situation. I definitely was not suggesting in any way shape or form that you > should choose Windows over Mac. I’m not sure where those comments are coming > from. > > Yes, it is totally possible for an Apple certified Tech to replace the > keyboard on your MacBook Pro. My recommendation at the time came from the > prospective of replacing the entire keyboard because of one key. Now, if > that “one” key is integral to your productivity, then, for sure, it is worth > the expense of a new keyboard installation. The new keyboard installation > will be far less expensive when compared to a totally new device. In the > meantime, an external keyboard could be of use if interacting with that arrow > key is a problem in its current state. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Muhammad Fayed <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Is it my bad to choose Voiceover on Mac vs NVDA on windows (plus what makes >> Mac better for me as a developer)?! >> >> MacBook Pro is meant for productivity and professional users, why is it my >> fault that the best way to increase my productivity to use arrow keys for >> navigation and toggling quick nav on and off?! >> >> Getting another keyboard is just telling me that Mac mini is more portable >> than MBP. >> >> I hope there will be better solution than moving around with an external >> keyboard and trackpad. (I mentioned trackpad since I use it in some cases >> were keyboard shortcut won’t work because of conflicts) >> >> I hope I could get to Apple authorized service provider soon to discuss a >> solution for it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mohamed E. Fayed >> >> >> >>> On 6 Jun 2021, at 6:08 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We have this sort of thing happen often at work, although is is due to >>> students picking at the keys for “fun”. Basically, the fix is often very >>> difficult or impossible. The tiny parts and clips that hold the key in >>> place are extremely difficult to work with. Even a sighted Tech often will >>> give up. I’m sorry, but the easiest fix is no fix, just live with the >>> annoyance. If a Tech can fix it, it may cost you their time to do so, >>> otherwise, it’s a new keyboard, which in both cases may not be worth the >>> money. You may get lucky depending on how bent or damaged the hardware is >>> that holds on the key, but I’ve found that it’s not an easy task for a >>> blind user. >>> >>> later… >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Muhammad Fayed <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The first. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Mohamed E. Fayed >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5 Jun 2021, at 11:27 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying that the button itself is broken, and will not attach to >>>>> the keyboard, or are you saying that the key is stuck and you can no >>>>> longer make it do what it’s supposed to. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Muhammad Fayed <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> My MBP butterfly keyboard right arrow key is broken and can’t fix in its >>>>>> place any more. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any recommendations please? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mohamed E. 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