Agree, it is time to turn down the heat and get back to the business at hand, helping members of this list navigate the amazing world of Apple products with success.
The past thread has justified my reason for remaining independent. I help wherever I can without regard to organizational membership.. Sent from the iPad I wish I had On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Randi Strunk <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am an iPhone user and am getting a MacBook in the near future. I’m > also an NFB member. Now, I don’t care whether you like or dislike the > organization, but what I’d like to remind folks is that the article > written by Wes Majerus, though printed in the NFB’s publication, does > not reflect the opinions of all NFB members. I know many folks who > work for the NFB, including Mr. Majerus and others on their access > technology team who own Apple products. Please note, I am not > defending the article or the organization for letting the article in > question be published I just want to remind people that members of the > NFB are just blind guys like yourselves many of whom own, and love, > their Apple products. I know I do, and I’d like to see this list go > back to being an Apple discussion list instead of an NFB rant list. > > Thanks, > Randi > > > > On 4/15/10, olivia norman <[email protected]> wrote: >> I agree Caroline! I really hope you have a good experience with the >> voiceover specialist next week. In the meantime, don't hesitate to ask >> questions here! >> Olivia >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> I would agree with those taking issue with the NFB. It scares me that so >>> many organizations in the US take the NFB's word as speaking for the whole >>> "blind" population, (which the NFB loves to refer to as "the blind." >>> Unfortunately, they are taking credit in some cases for their lawsuit >>> "making apple address accessibility." Then they turn around and kick >>> Apple in the teeth with inaccurate reviews knocking Apple's effort. Quite >>> frankly, they scare me. >>> >>> Sorry for my soapbox addition to this. But it's hard for me to stay out >>> of a discussion regarding a group that tries to take credit for everything >>> good that happens and sometimes tries to "save the world" for the >>> population they lovingly call "the blind." >>> This is just one more reason for me to champion for Apple who isn't doing >>> anything but leveling the playing field for all. >>> >>> Thank you Mr. Jobbs, and all of you brilliant engineers at Apple. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kaare Dehard >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: What do you think? >>> >>> Rob, we like worms. because of the shift in availability of screen >>> readers, and a lot of them coming at no charge in the apple product line, >>> this sort of thing comes up more often than would be liked. Some of the >>> people that would like to keep their special status feel it necessary to >>> make the waters mirky. We really don't mind providing our thoughts and >>> perspectives on these sort of things. >>> On 2010-04-15, at 3:31 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>> >>>> I apologize if I opened a can of worms. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Hello Nic, >>>> >>>> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >>>> along the same lines. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >>>>> for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >>>>> Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article >>>>> about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>>>> >>>>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to >>>>> the NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not >>>>> sue Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened >>>>> to users using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that >>>>> can't even review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done >>>>> far more than anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they >>>>> had something in store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it >>>>> is a pretty serious statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan >>>>> of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate >>>>> statements as well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to >>>>> sue Apple. What would they sue them for, exactly? Because their >>>>> products are accessible, and they want everyone to pay more than what a >>>>> Macbook costs for assistive technology? That wouldn't actually surprise >>>>> me much. It's all about competition. If they think they're about to be >>>>> kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple >>>>> has done something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really >>>>> twisted and disgusting to me. >>>>> >>>>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>>>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty >>>>> ridiculous suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the >>>>> case, however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs >>>>> that are not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't >>>>> care about that. Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is >>>>> scared of being kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people >>>>> buying their product. That would make sense. >>>>> >>>>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>>>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >>>>> even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's >>>>> outrageous. People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just >>>>> because the interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like >>>>> they do for everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first >>>>> complaint. JAWS, or just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If >>>>> JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the >>>>> product. Even if you manage to do so, you will probably run into the >>>>> screen not being read correctly when reading list boxes or with the >>>>> cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 >>>>> after attempting to install Video Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install >>>>> VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then reinstall JAWS 11. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the >>>>> ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this >>>>> corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper >>>>> look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always be >>>>> negative about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when talking >>>>> about the actual lawsuit itself. >>>>> >>>>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone >>>>> from NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good >>>>> reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks >>>>> for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a >>>>> childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A >>>>> company is trying to provide great accessibility for their products, >>>>> and they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is actually still >>>>> useful on the Windows side, people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >>>>>> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this >>>>>> three year term is up? 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