I don’t think so and why would it be. Even on apple platforms some things are available on iPhone and iPad and not the Mac. This was one of the reasons I thought long and heard before buying my second Mac. However, the thought of always having to use an external keyboard put me off and also some of the problems my mum has with her iPad Pro worried me so I took the plunge and got another Mac. Love emma
> On 30 Oct 2025, at 15:22, Kendra Schaber <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all! > I personally like Voice Over on a Mac more than Narrater but just like > NarrateR, yoU do hAve to know how tO use tHe kEy commands. I’m still learning > them on my Mac anD part of tHe thing with Voice Over on thE Mac is thAT thE > whole computeR anD its screen reader are programed differently than a Windows > computer because tHey are each otheR’S competitors after all. JAWS is great > too, and so is NVDA, but they are used on WindoWs which is designEd > differently tHaN a Mac, but why wOuldn’T tHey be when tHey are opponents to > Apple? As far as I know, NVDA is not avaliblE on a Mac, but I could be wrong. > Kendra > > >> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:13 AM, Dave Carlson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yes, I have Reaper installed on my Mac, as well. I do like using Reaper on >> Windows mor than on the Mac. The JAWS access is better than VO, which should >> not be surprising to anyone. I tend to consider VO to be comparable to >> Narrator on a Windows PC. But that’s my opinion. >> >> >> Dave Carlson >> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer >> >> On Oct 30, 2025, at 7:49 AM, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There is a Mack O S Reaper BTW because I think you mentioned Reaper. >> >> What you would lose is Jim the snowman's scripts for JAWS if you used them. >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]><[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Dave Carlson >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2025 10:30 AM >> To: Mac Visionaries <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: Installing windows on MacBookPro M3 >> >> Emma, >> There are several music-based products that I have used in the past on a >> Windows machine, and very prificient with them. Therefore having access to >> those same programs on a new Mac with its faster processor is appealing, >> especially since my old Windows PC died after 16 years of dedicated >> operation. >> >> That is my personal case for having interest in running Windows on a Mac. >> >> >> Dave Carlson >> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer >> >> On Oct 30, 2025, at 7:24 AM, 'Emma May' via MacVisionaries >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi would you want to do this? I use a Mac with voice over and do most of the >> things if not more with it than I ever did with jaws and windows. The only >> thing I do miss is Microsoft word. I know you can download a version but >> I’ve heard good and bad things about whether it works on the Mac. Also when >> the Mac comes with its own free word processing package why shell out for a >> new one? I now don’t do as much word processing anyway. For what it's worth >> do need I use text editor or pages slowly. Love emma >> >>> On 30 Oct 2025, at 14:17, Dave Carlson <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Phil, >>> Windows 11 is a very different interface than Windows XP, which was my >>> previous OS. So I’m not the person to ask. It’s a very difficult user >>> interface for me to navigate, and only time and patience will help. >>> >>> Purchased an annual subscription for JAWS, and I do open NVDA once in a >>> while, but both are about the same. Only used Narrator initially to set up >>> the PC. >>> >>> Since we’re drifting off topic for an Apple-based discussion, we should >>> take this off list now. How about using my email directly and not get in >>> any trouble with the moderators when discussing Windows. >>> >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Carlson >>> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 5:50 AM, Phil Halton <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> That’s interesting Dave, and how about screen readers? What are you using, >>> NVDA, jaws, narrator? I also hear people complaining about windows 11 as >>> well, they say it’s a different interface or something like that and they >>> prefer Windows 10. How are you finding it? Would you suggest getting >>> windows 11 home or Windows 11 Pro? I wonder what the difference is >>> Sent from my IPhone >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:36 PM, Dave Carlson <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Phil, >>>> >>>> My Dell 3060 Optiplex Mini Tower did not come with a monitor but I bought >>>> a small 12-inch monitor just for the purpose of being available for >>>> assistance if necessary. The 7-inch that I first bought was just too small >>>> for my wife to read the text, so it went back for the exchange. I bought >>>> the Dell to install Reaper and Excel. Pretty much it. I have it running >>>> iCloud so that all my files are availabel to it as well as my Mac. I >>>> bought that Dell refurbished on Amazon, so it was pretty reasonable. >>>> Windows 11 installed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave Carlson >>>> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer >>>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 11:20 AM, Phil Halton <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Dave, I looked into it watched a few YouTube videos on installing >>>> Windows 11 on an M3 Mac and, you’re right, it’s a lot of fiddling and it’s >>>> more than I wanna bother with. I’m thinking about just buying an >>>> inexpensive laptop with Windows 11 preinstalled because all I really wanna >>>> do is fiddle around with it, I don’t have any real need for windows, just >>>> wanna play around you know how it is. Do you have a monitor for your Dell >>>> box? The only reason I’d get a laptop is so there would be a screen in >>>> case I needed some visual help. Other than that, I guess just a box with >>>> no monitor would be fine. >>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 2:17 PM, Phil Halton <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 12:27 PM, Brianna Snyder <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can tell you that yes, VMWARE Fusion does work on the m processors, I >>>>>> have the very same M3, 18gb ram MacBook Pro. I use Windows to play >>>>>> games. >>>>>> As to the actual setup of the machine, I'll be totally honest and say >>>>>> that I had someone do that for me, so I unfortunately can't help in that >>>>>> aspect. But once everything's all set up, it works great. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brianna >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 12:19 PM, Dave Carlson <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil, >>>>>>> More to this discussion. I’m recalling that the concept of installing >>>>>>> Windows on a Mac has been upended by the introduction of the new M >>>>>>> series Mac. It’s possible that VM Ware and Parallels have both fallen >>>>>>> behind in this regard and that the solutions may not be usable with the >>>>>>> new processor types. Suggest you read up on these solutions and dig >>>>>>> down to how they might or might not work with the M3 processor you >>>>>>> have. BTW I also have the MacBook Pro M3 machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave Carlson >>>>>>> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 6:51 AM, Phil Halton <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, VMware fusion is the preferred choice for installing windows on the >>>>>>> Mac? Is parallels still in accessible? Is VMware fusion free these days >>>>>>> and where do I get it? Haven’t installed windows in a dozen years or >>>>>>> so. Any help out there? Come on, I know lots of people here use windows >>>>>>> on the Mac. 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