I like that analogy lol. On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:19, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> They from what I've read are like a lot of other organizations, You need > accessible toilet paper to work off of the role before it can be deemed safe > to do it's primary function for a blind person:) > On 2010-04-21, at 6:20 AM, marie Howarth wrote: > >> Neither can I Nick. As someone who has never even looked at my sim card in >> the IPhone, I couldn't comment but I think some users may find it difficult >> to know which way around the simcard goes. I know I used to always get my >> dad to change simcards in my old phones. But they don't even mention the sim >> card component in this article, and I highly doubt they're probably too >> aware of it. lol. I'm sure they would have said something if they knew about >> the simcard option. >> >> On 21 Apr 2010, at 11:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Hmm. I'm going to be interested in that. Inserting the sim in the iPhone is >>> ridiculously easy. >>> >>> I want to do it on the iPad now. I can't imagine it being any different. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: [email protected] >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:10 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know if the tripple click of the home button is set to a default >>>> but Apple try to not second guess their customers so I think this would be >>>> kind of counter Apple. And not to mention, they would still complain if >>>> the triple tap brought up voice over when it was a low vision user who was >>>> using the phone. I seriously think this article is nit picking. And, like >>>> you say Dan, all of these devices need to be hooked up to ITunes to get >>>> them working. Someone also pointed out on twitter earlier that the >>>> insertion of a simcard into the IPhones and IPad 3Gs would not be >>>> accessible. I don't know about anywhere else, but Apple inserted my >>>> simcard into my IPhone and registered it for me in store when I got it. >>>> And with the introduction of the new Micro-sims, I don't want to be >>>> messing with something that small. I'll leave that to the experts thank >>>> you :) >>>> >>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 08:30, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah, agreed there Anne. Apple does have it right, and obviously these >>>>> blindness organizations expect VO, and any accessibility features to be >>>>> turned on by default. The iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad are accessible >>>>> out of the box in my opinion, because with those devices, you have to >>>>> hook them up to a computer anyway at first, before using them to sync >>>>> your content, and register the device. Voiceover can be turned on in >>>>> iTunes via the device's settings, so therefore I do consider that >>>>> accessible out of the box. Maybe what they were getting at, is the fact >>>>> that it'd be nice if the tripple-click home setting under accessibility >>>>> was set to toggle Voiceover by default? Not sure, , but that's a >>>>> possibility as to what they were getting at. >>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Nic, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, it was a pretty good article for the RNIB, but I had the same >>>>>> reaction as you did about it being a pity it wasn't accessible out of >>>>>> the box. They just can't admit that Apple has really got it right! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm a bit confused here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning >>>>>>> it has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have >>>>>>> been a real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, this was not quite the case." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird >>>>>>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make >>>>>>> it too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on >>>>>>> by default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is >>>>>>> a product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the >>>>>>> only thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> Mobile Me: [email protected] >>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't >>>>>>>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the >>>>>>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could >>>>>>>> put users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible >>>>>>>> out of the box that rNIB promotes readily? >>>>>>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or >>>>>>>> disagree with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first >>>>>>>> impressions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most >>>>>>>>> part, this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives >>>>>>>>> and negatives of the product which is good. >>>>>>>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that >>>>>>>>> they made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. >>>>>>>>> This is not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, >>>>>>>>> and requires all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty >>>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I >>>>>>>>>> will be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But >>>>>>>>>> here it is for you all to read. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for >>>>>>>>>> the blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word >>>>>>>>>> format but will read on text edit and such on the mac. >>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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