Interesting. I took my Dad's 3g iPad for a test drive with VO just now, and experienced no issues. it performed identically to mine. Not sure what's going on, Bryan. Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with the iPad. Olivia "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
On May 9, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > It would seem rather strange the two would be different, but perhaps as more > of the 3G models are released into the wild, others will report if they are > having issues. > On May 9, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Maybe we haven't heard about it because he is using the 3g model of the >> iPad. Every voiceover related review and podcast I have come across had >> featured the wifi model. So, Maybe the behavior Bryan is experiencing is >> only on the 3g model. Or it could just be his model imparticular. >> On May 9, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Bryan, >>> >>> Nice to know your the only one. :) So, have you brought your concerns to >>> Apple's attention? The issue with the words being cut off is not a result >>> of the iPad implementation. This is very apparent on the iPhone and I am >>> quite certain the iPod Touch as well. It is an issue with the speech and I >>> have filed this issue quite a while back and hope it will be addressed in >>> the next version. I will be curious if others have experienced your issue >>> and I find it hard to believe that if this is a bug, that no one else would >>> have mentioned it. So, hopefully if it is a bug, people report it and I am >>> sure Apple did not rush the product to market. You know that most products >>> pushed out the door will have some issues that may not have been found. >>> However, you are correct, I have not read anything about what your >>> experiencing, which is interesting. >>> On May 8, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> OK, those of you with iPads, check this out. >>>> >>>> I've noticed how swiping just doesn't work sometimes on my iPad. I >>>> thought, hey, maybe it's me. It wasn't like this on my iPhone, though. I >>>> thought, maybe the screen is just not as good. Turns out, though, >>>> VoiceOver just isn't as good. I finally have a way to consistently show >>>> this crud. Wish that I could come up with good repros for the other >>>> problems, though. >>>> >>>> Anyway, here is a good example of swiping not working. >>>> >>>> Go in to settings. Double-tap Wi-Fi. >>>> >>>> Now, on the right side, double-tap the on/off switch on the right side of >>>> the screen. >>>> >>>> Now, try just once to swipe. Nothing will happen. If you try again, you'll >>>> be swiping just fine. Return to the switch, though. >>>> >>>> Double-tap to toggle it. Swipe once. Nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> Double-tap to toggle it again. Swipe once, again. Nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The thing is, each time you toggle any switch, not just this once, swiping >>>> doesn't work the first time that you try. Not only with switches, this >>>> happens with radio button type controls where you select one in a group. >>>> >>>> Exploring further, I discovered that, for most things you do, the first >>>> attempt to swipe doesn't work. In Safari, when a new page loads, the first >>>> time I swipe never results in focus moving. In settings, when I double-tap >>>> a button on the left to show another category of settings, the first swipe >>>> never moves the focus. This isn't the case in absolutely every place on >>>> the iPad (the home screen isn't like this), but it is very prevalent, and >>>> I can make it happen over and over again. I'm only mentioning these apps >>>> because these are the ones that everyone else has to try the repro. >>>> >>>> Between this, and the deal with the screen not refreshing to VoiceOver, >>>> I'm starting to understand why it seemed like the interface wasn't >>>> responding like I'm used to with the iPhone and the MBP track pad. I feel >>>> like I'm fumbling a lot trying to get things to work, rather than being >>>> able to follow consistent patterns to get to where I want to be. Now that >>>> I know what's happening, I should have better luck, I guess. Like, every >>>> time I press a button, I have to make a fake swipe before I start to swipe >>>> for real. >>>> >>>> Today, while reading a web page, I also had the speech totally die. I >>>> would still hear the VoiceOver navigation sounds as I moved around, but no >>>> speech. Fortunately, I can always use the triple-tap home key approach to >>>> cycle VoiceOver off and on, but, as I was doing so, I couldn't help >>>> thinking of how constantly having to reload a screen reader is supposed to >>>> be par for the course in the Windows world. I couldn't help but angrily >>>> think how it seems that Apple has finally brought that feature to the >>>> iPad, also. I suppose it's to their credit that I don't expect this on OSX >>>> and the iPhone, but I really like not having an unstable screen reader. I >>>> can't say that I've never had to toggle VO on OSX, but that is pretty >>>> rare. I've had to do that quite a little bit on the iPad to work out >>>> various problems. The speech, in general, seems like its been tweaked for >>>> the iPad. Maybe that's why it chops off the ends of some words when >>>> running at full speed. >>>> >>>> Oh, and don't forget the bug with the speaker constantly running, draining >>>> your battery while you sleep. >>>> >>>> What's the deal? Was this thing rushed? Is the iPad running some hacked >>>> intermediate version of VoiceOver? As I said in my other thread, I've >>>> already setup a return for the iPad. I'll be sending it back on Tuesday. >>>> We barely have 14 days to kick the tires on it before the return period is >>>> up. I'm not really happy about how things have gone so far. >>>> >>>> I'm also really surprised that, so far, I seem to be the only one that has >>>> found iPad VO bugs. These haven't been hard to find. Maybe others have, >>>> and just haven't said so, or I haven't noticed their reports. Still, I've >>>> had mine for just over a week. Other people have had the iPad for a month. >>>> Blindness orgs have reviewed it. Has just no one else noticed any of >>>> these? Maybe, like me, you just feel that the user interface doesn't >>>> respond correctly, and don't know why/can't give a repro. >>>> >>>> Supposedly, the only updates that will be available are new OS versions. >>>> The next one is supposed to come out in the fall. Thought the first one >>>> will be free, versions after that will cost. >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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