I would suggest it's worth going back to Apple or Best Buy and trying again. I'd forgotten about the constantly running speaker issues you were having, so thanks for pointing them out again! :) I haven't noticed this issue with my iPad or my Dad's which leads me to suspect something going on with your particular unit. When I'm in settings I am able to swipe and have the iPad recognize the gesture correctly. I hope you are able to return the iPad or get a new unit! Good luck! Olivia
Sent from my iPad On May 9, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Bryan Smart <[email protected]> wrote: > I purchased directly from Apple. > > I'm really worried about their super short 14 day return period, which is up > for me this week. I feel like I must make a move fast. > > Maybe I'll head back over to Best Buy and check out one of theirs again. > > In Settings, when I tap a button on the left, the first swipe is almost > always rejected. However, I noticed that if I make a huge side-to-side screen > swipe as my first swipe, it is recognized, but not like I'd expect. > Sometimes, it swipes, and I hear the tone indicating that I've moved to > another control group (the group on the right). Other times, focus will > actually advance to the next button in the left column. In the first case, > the iPad might be interpreting the swipe as a touch on the right side of the > screen, or it might be confused and think that my one quickly moving finger > is a four-finger-swipe? > > The only point of this repro is that it is a way that I can consistently show > that something is wrong. The odd things that happen in other apps aren't as > predictable. > > Anyway, thanks everyone for checking. It has got to be this particular iPad, > or my finger, or smething unique to my situation, at least for the swiping > bit. > > What about the constantly running speaker? Anyone have that going on? > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug > > Bryan, > > Why not go back to where you purchase the iPad and see if you can perform the > same tests on another unit. If there is an issue, they will of course replace > it. In fact it would be interesting if you could get your hands on both > models to try this experiment, but I really think the software versions will > be the same, but still something to try. It would be pretty curious if they > are slightly different software revisions. > On May 9, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> It is possible. There could be some small OS revision between the Wi-Fi and >> 3G that introduced a problem. It is, like you say also possible that >> something might be a bit electronically off with my touch screen. This is >> the only iPad that I've ever used, other than a brief play with one at a >> Best Buy, so I don't know if the behavior of mine is atypical or not. >> >> It is frustrating, though. If I knew that I could swap it to resolve the >> problem, that would work. If I knew it was just a software problem that >> could be resolved soon, that might be fine, also. I just don't know. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:58 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug >> >> Maybe we haven't heard about it because he is using the 3g model of the >> iPad. Every voiceover related review and podcast I have come across had >> featured the wifi model. So, Maybe the behavior Bryan is experiencing is >> only on the 3g model. Or it could just be his model imparticular. >> On May 9, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Bryan, >>> >>> Nice to know your the only one. :) So, have you brought your concerns to >>> Apple's attention? The issue with the words being cut off is not a result >>> of the iPad implementation. This is very apparent on the iPhone and I am >>> quite certain the iPod Touch as well. It is an issue with the speech and I >>> have filed this issue quite a while back and hope it will be addressed in >>> the next version. I will be curious if others have experienced your issue >>> and I find it hard to believe that if this is a bug, that no one else would >>> have mentioned it. So, hopefully if it is a bug, people report it and I am >>> sure Apple did not rush the product to market. You know that most products >>> pushed out the door will have some issues that may not have been found. >>> However, you are correct, I have not read anything about what your >>> experiencing, which is interesting. >>> On May 8, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> OK, those of you with iPads, check this out. >>>> >>>> I've noticed how swiping just doesn't work sometimes on my iPad. I >>>> thought, hey, maybe it's me. It wasn't like this on my iPhone, though. I >>>> thought, maybe the screen is just not as good. Turns out, though, >>>> VoiceOver just isn't as good. I finally have a way to consistently show >>>> this crud. Wish that I could come up with good repros for the other >>>> problems, though. >>>> >>>> Anyway, here is a good example of swiping not working. >>>> >>>> Go in to settings. Double-tap Wi-Fi. >>>> >>>> Now, on the right side, double-tap the on/off switch on the right side of >>>> the screen. >>>> >>>> Now, try just once to swipe. Nothing will happen. If you try again, you'll >>>> be swiping just fine. Return to the switch, though. >>>> >>>> Double-tap to toggle it. Swipe once. Nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> Double-tap to toggle it again. Swipe once, again. Nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The thing is, each time you toggle any switch, not just this once, swiping >>>> doesn't work the first time that you try. Not only with switches, this >>>> happens with radio button type controls where you select one in a group. >>>> >>>> Exploring further, I discovered that, for most things you do, the first >>>> attempt to swipe doesn't work. In Safari, when a new page loads, the first >>>> time I swipe never results in focus moving. In settings, when I double-tap >>>> a button on the left to show another category of settings, the first swipe >>>> never moves the focus. This isn't the case in absolutely every place on >>>> the iPad (the home screen isn't like this), but it is very prevalent, and >>>> I can make it happen over and over again. I'm only mentioning these apps >>>> because these are the ones that everyone else has to try the repro. >>>> >>>> Between this, and the deal with the screen not refreshing to VoiceOver, >>>> I'm starting to understand why it seemed like the interface wasn't >>>> responding like I'm used to with the iPhone and the MBP track pad. I feel >>>> like I'm fumbling a lot trying to get things to work, rather than being >>>> able to follow consistent patterns to get to where I want to be. Now that >>>> I know what's happening, I should have better luck, I guess. Like, every >>>> time I press a button, I have to make a fake swipe before I start to swipe >>>> for real. >>>> >>>> Today, while reading a web page, I also had the speech totally die. I >>>> would still hear the VoiceOver navigation sounds as I moved around, but no >>>> speech. Fortunately, I can always use the triple-tap home key approach to >>>> cycle VoiceOver off and on, but, as I was doing so, I couldn't help >>>> thinking of how constantly having to reload a screen reader is supposed to >>>> be par for the course in the Windows world. I couldn't help but angrily >>>> think how it seems that Apple has finally brought that feature to the >>>> iPad, also. I suppose it's to their credit that I don't expect this on OSX >>>> and the iPhone, but I really like not having an unstable screen reader. I >>>> can't say that I've never had to toggle VO on OSX, but that is pretty >>>> rare. I've had to do that quite a little bit on the iPad to work out >>>> various problems. The speech, in general, seems like its been tweaked for >>>> the iPad. Maybe that's why it chops off the ends of some words when >>>> running at full speed. >>>> >>>> Oh, and don't forget the bug with the speaker constantly running, draining >>>> your battery while you sleep. >>>> >>>> What's the deal? Was this thing rushed? Is the iPad running some hacked >>>> intermediate version of VoiceOver? As I said in my other thread, I've >>>> already setup a return for the iPad. I'll be sending it back on Tuesday. >>>> We barely have 14 days to kick the tires on it before the return period is >>>> up. I'm not really happy about how things have gone so far. >>>> >>>> I'm also really surprised that, so far, I seem to be the only one that has >>>> found iPad VO bugs. These haven't been hard to find. Maybe others have, >>>> and just haven't said so, or I haven't noticed their reports. Still, I've >>>> had mine for just over a week. Other people have had the iPad for a month. >>>> Blindness orgs have reviewed it. Has just no one else noticed any of >>>> these? Maybe, like me, you just feel that the user interface doesn't >>>> respond correctly, and don't know why/can't give a repro. >>>> >>>> Supposedly, the only updates that will be available are new OS versions. >>>> The next one is supposed to come out in the fall. 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