I don't know if you would call it exactly a speaker issue, but I am assuming Bryan was referring to the issue of the iPhone not sleeping properly while VO is running. On May 9, 2010, at 1:58 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> what speaker issue? I'm not noticing anything with my iPhone speaker. > > On 9 May 2010, at 18:34, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Bryan, >> >> Do not wait, alert Apple to the issue if you do not think you can get to >> Best Buy before the end of the return date window. They may (if possible for >> you) direct you to an APple store or extend your return date, so you can >> verify the issue. The speaker issue sounds like what is possibly going on >> with the iPhone and the hope is this will be addressed in the next version. >> Perhaps setting VoiceOver up to be toggled on/off with a triple click of the >> home key, and turn it off to see if this helps with that issue. I would be >> curious if this does or not. >> >> Good luck, >> On May 9, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> I purchased directly from Apple. >>> >>> I'm really worried about their super short 14 day return period, which is >>> up for me this week. I feel like I must make a move fast. >>> >>> Maybe I'll head back over to Best Buy and check out one of theirs again. >>> >>> In Settings, when I tap a button on the left, the first swipe is almost >>> always rejected. However, I noticed that if I make a huge side-to-side >>> screen swipe as my first swipe, it is recognized, but not like I'd expect. >>> Sometimes, it swipes, and I hear the tone indicating that I've moved to >>> another control group (the group on the right). Other times, focus will >>> actually advance to the next button in the left column. In the first case, >>> the iPad might be interpreting the swipe as a touch on the right side of >>> the screen, or it might be confused and think that my one quickly moving >>> finger is a four-finger-swipe? >>> >>> The only point of this repro is that it is a way that I can consistently >>> show that something is wrong. The odd things that happen in other apps >>> aren't as predictable. >>> >>> Anyway, thanks everyone for checking. It has got to be this particular >>> iPad, or my finger, or smething unique to my situation, at least for the >>> swiping bit. >>> >>> What about the constantly running speaker? Anyone have that going on? >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Howell >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:19 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug >>> >>> Bryan, >>> >>> Why not go back to where you purchase the iPad and see if you can perform >>> the same tests on another unit. If there is an issue, they will of course >>> replace it. In fact it would be interesting if you could get your hands on >>> both models to try this experiment, but I really think the software >>> versions will be the same, but still something to try. It would be pretty >>> curious if they are slightly different software revisions. >>> On May 9, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> It is possible. There could be some small OS revision between the Wi-Fi >>>> and 3G that introduced a problem. It is, like you say also possible that >>>> something might be a bit electronically off with my touch screen. This is >>>> the only iPad that I've ever used, other than a brief play with one at a >>>> Best Buy, so I don't know if the behavior of mine is atypical or not. >>>> >>>> It is frustrating, though. If I knew that I could swap it to resolve the >>>> problem, that would work. If I knew it was just a software problem that >>>> could be resolved soon, that might be fine, also. I just don't know. >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:58 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug >>>> >>>> Maybe we haven't heard about it because he is using the 3g model of the >>>> iPad. Every voiceover related review and podcast I have come across had >>>> featured the wifi model. So, Maybe the behavior Bryan is experiencing is >>>> only on the 3g model. Or it could just be his model imparticular. >>>> On May 9, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bryan, >>>>> >>>>> Nice to know your the only one. :) So, have you brought your concerns to >>>>> Apple's attention? The issue with the words being cut off is not a result >>>>> of the iPad implementation. This is very apparent on the iPhone and I am >>>>> quite certain the iPod Touch as well. It is an issue with the speech and >>>>> I have filed this issue quite a while back and hope it will be addressed >>>>> in the next version. I will be curious if others have experienced your >>>>> issue and I find it hard to believe that if this is a bug, that no one >>>>> else would have mentioned it. So, hopefully if it is a bug, people report >>>>> it and I am sure Apple did not rush the product to market. You know that >>>>> most products pushed out the door will have some issues that may not have >>>>> been found. However, you are correct, I have not read anything about what >>>>> your experiencing, which is interesting. >>>>> On May 8, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OK, those of you with iPads, check this out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed how swiping just doesn't work sometimes on my iPad. I >>>>>> thought, hey, maybe it's me. It wasn't like this on my iPhone, though. I >>>>>> thought, maybe the screen is just not as good. Turns out, though, >>>>>> VoiceOver just isn't as good. I finally have a way to consistently show >>>>>> this crud. Wish that I could come up with good repros for the other >>>>>> problems, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, here is a good example of swiping not working. >>>>>> >>>>>> Go in to settings. Double-tap Wi-Fi. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, on the right side, double-tap the on/off switch on the right side >>>>>> of the screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, try just once to swipe. Nothing will happen. If you try again, >>>>>> you'll be swiping just fine. Return to the switch, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Double-tap to toggle it. Swipe once. Nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Double-tap to toggle it again. Swipe once, again. Nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The thing is, each time you toggle any switch, not just this once, >>>>>> swiping doesn't work the first time that you try. Not only with >>>>>> switches, this happens with radio button type controls where you select >>>>>> one in a group. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exploring further, I discovered that, for most things you do, the first >>>>>> attempt to swipe doesn't work. In Safari, when a new page loads, the >>>>>> first time I swipe never results in focus moving. In settings, when I >>>>>> double-tap a button on the left to show another category of settings, >>>>>> the first swipe never moves the focus. This isn't the case in absolutely >>>>>> every place on the iPad (the home screen isn't like this), but it is >>>>>> very prevalent, and I can make it happen over and over again. I'm only >>>>>> mentioning these apps because these are the ones that everyone else has >>>>>> to try the repro. >>>>>> >>>>>> Between this, and the deal with the screen not refreshing to VoiceOver, >>>>>> I'm starting to understand why it seemed like the interface wasn't >>>>>> responding like I'm used to with the iPhone and the MBP track pad. I >>>>>> feel like I'm fumbling a lot trying to get things to work, rather than >>>>>> being able to follow consistent patterns to get to where I want to be. >>>>>> Now that I know what's happening, I should have better luck, I guess. >>>>>> Like, every time I press a button, I have to make a fake swipe before I >>>>>> start to swipe for real. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today, while reading a web page, I also had the speech totally die. I >>>>>> would still hear the VoiceOver navigation sounds as I moved around, but >>>>>> no speech. Fortunately, I can always use the triple-tap home key >>>>>> approach to cycle VoiceOver off and on, but, as I was doing so, I >>>>>> couldn't help thinking of how constantly having to reload a screen >>>>>> reader is supposed to be par for the course in the Windows world. I >>>>>> couldn't help but angrily think how it seems that Apple has finally >>>>>> brought that feature to the iPad, also. I suppose it's to their credit >>>>>> that I don't expect this on OSX and the iPhone, but I really like not >>>>>> having an unstable screen reader. I can't say that I've never had to >>>>>> toggle VO on OSX, but that is pretty rare. I've had to do that quite a >>>>>> little bit on the iPad to work out various problems. The speech, in >>>>>> general, seems like its been tweaked for the iPad. Maybe that's why it >>>>>> chops off the ends of some words when running at full speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and don't forget the bug with the speaker constantly running, >>>>>> draining your battery while you sleep. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's the deal? Was this thing rushed? Is the iPad running some hacked >>>>>> intermediate version of VoiceOver? As I said in my other thread, I've >>>>>> already setup a return for the iPad. I'll be sending it back on Tuesday. >>>>>> We barely have 14 days to kick the tires on it before the return period >>>>>> is up. I'm not really happy about how things have gone so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm also really surprised that, so far, I seem to be the only one that >>>>>> has found iPad VO bugs. These haven't been hard to find. Maybe others >>>>>> have, and just haven't said so, or I haven't noticed their reports. >>>>>> Still, I've had mine for just over a week. Other people have had the >>>>>> iPad for a month. Blindness orgs have reviewed it. Has just no one else >>>>>> noticed any of these? Maybe, like me, you just feel that the user >>>>>> interface doesn't respond correctly, and don't know why/can't give a >>>>>> repro. >>>>>> >>>>>> Supposedly, the only updates that will be available are new OS versions. >>>>>> The next one is supposed to come out in the fall. Thought the first one >>>>>> will be free, versions after that will cost. >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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