and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I've been using. I did not know about the command option d. and in my case it does not work.
Take care. S On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi Carolyn, > > I guess what I'm saying is that VO doubles up a lot of commands. For > example, to go to the dock voiceover trains you to press control option D. > In fact, mac OS 10.6 snowleopard has a built in command to focus the dock, > command option d. > > If you do > not > have keyboard commander turned on, press command and option with your right > hand, and tap d, and you will hear dock and whatever dock icon you have > focussed. > > My point is, why do we need two ways to do so many things? Wouldn't it be > better if we taught the mac OS way of accomplishing something and dispensed > with a lot of duplicated effort? If we didn't have a voiceover key to go to > the dock, then we could use control option D to read the time and date. Then > we wouldn't need keyboard commander to accomplish this. I have keyboard > commander turned on, and it's no great hardship. But it would be a lot more > comfortable for me to use command option D to go to the desktop since I have > both a command and an option on the right hand side of my keyboard. I can't > do this though, because my right option key is dedicated to the keyboard > commander. > > It works, but doesn't it seem just a little counter intuitive? > > Best, > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > Toll-free: 888-255-5194 > > On 2010-06-03, at 1:45 PM, Carolyn wrote: > >> Erik: >> Are you saying they could integrate Vo into the OS so that more commands are >> universal to the system? Carolyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: erik burggraaf >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM >> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac >> >> Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac operating system keys that >> have been replaced by voiceover keys, or at least supplanted. Most of these >> don't require the control key, so you are not limitted to the left hand. I >> quite honestly wish voiceover would drop a lot of it's baggage and teach mac >> OS more through it's help system. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> User support consultant, >> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >> >> On 2010-06-02, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >> >> > I've also found my self playing finger twister with the left hand. If I >> > could find any faults with VO it would be that there are often two many >> > keys included in keyboard combinations, but I suppose there's no help for >> > it. LOL!!! >> > On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> > >> >> Erik: >> >> Thanks for this, even though it was in response to Mark. I've wondered >> >> about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping. >> >> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:) >> >> TC >> >> >> >> Carolyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: erik burggraaf >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac >> >> >> >> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the >> >> voiceover curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box, >> >> pressing vo right arrow will take you right back to the top. Similarly, >> >> if you are at the top, pressing vo left arrow will take you to the bottom. >> >> >> >> The inelegant way to do this is by pressing... are you ready for this? >> >> Control, option, shift, fn, left arrow to go to the top, >> >> and Control, option, shift, fn, right arrow to go to the bottom. >> >> See I knew you werent' ready. Don't try to finess this, just mash down >> >> the whole bottom left of your keyboard pretty much and giver with the >> >> arrow keys. >> >> >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> >> User support consultant, >> >> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >> >> >> >> On 2010-06-02, at 4:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello Everyone, >> >>> >> >>> OK, so I'm interacting with elements in the VoiceOver Dialog Box. >> >>> Eventually, my VoiceOver cursor lands on the Help button at the lower >> >>> right >> >>> of the Dialog Box. >> >>> >> >>> Until now, I have to continuously press VoiceOver Left-Arrow until I >> >>> reach a >> >>> place, like a Tab, where I can stop interacting with the current area. >> >>> That >> >>> is to say, I cannot stop interacting when I first land on the Help >> >>> button. >> >>> >> >>> So, my question: >> >>> >> >>> Is there a way to stop interacting or immediately jump back up to the >> >>> beginning of a Dialog Box with VoiceOver? >> >>> >> >>> Mark >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> >>> [email protected]. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> >> [email protected]. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> >> [email protected]. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> > [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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