It would be interesting to test the new version of Office with Dragon Dictate, David Pogue in his review last week of the new Dragon said that Dragon was unable to track the insertion point within Microsoft Word. I assumed this was because of MS using the Darwin framework instead of the Cocoa framework. So give that MS 2010 text can not be accessed by Voice OVer, what is the chance that Dictate could get its dragon paws into the text?
Good night, Jon On 26/09/2010, gkearney <[email protected]> wrote: > It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of > the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are > not accessible. > > Greg > > On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote: >> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would >> be >> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their >> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the >> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you >> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far >> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story, >> almost the reverse story, on the windows side! >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >> >> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed, >> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not >> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything >> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs >> to >> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in >> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle >> Microsoft >> Office files, namely iwork and open office. >> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> > Hello Greg, >> >> > Thank you so much for providing this info. >> >> > I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of >> > Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility. >> >> > Wow! >> >> > You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was >> > completely accessible. That is to say, as soon as one launched the >> > installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if >> audio >> > assistance was required. This came as a total surprise to me, to say >> > the >> > least. I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7 >> > without any sighted assistance, whatsoever. I installed that first beta >> on >> > three of my computers. By the way, the voice that was used to guide me >> > through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer. >> >> > Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this >> feature >> > was removed. I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least. >> > >> >> > It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh. >> >> > It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason >> for >> > removing this feature but they said they removed it for security >> > concerns; >> > to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!!!!!" Or, to put it in the vernacular, >> > "That's a load of crap!!!!" >> >> > Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be >> VoiceOver >> > accessible? I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not? Perhaps I'm just >> > grasping at straws, eh? (Smile) >> >> > Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one. >> >> > Most Sincerely, >> >> > mark >> > - >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney >> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM >> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; Mary >> > Beth >> > Janes; Mike Shebanek >> > Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >> >> > It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test >> > Microsoft >> > Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than >> > in >> > any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to >> > interact >> > with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to >> > review, >> > read or edit the text area in Word or Excel. >> >> > It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever >> fixing >> > these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same >> > failing >> > in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs >> > they >> > remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak >> > volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on >> > the >> > Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment >> > to >> > the platform as well. >> >> > Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media >> > Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA >> > PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA >> 6100 >> > Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 |www.guidedogswa.com.au >> > Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) >> > Email: [email protected] >> > Email: [email protected] >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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