Keith, your note is wonderful and I am going to save it to read when I feel like a plunge out the 10th story window is next on my agenda, :) Oh wait, I live in a 1-story home. And, climbing up on that roof just so I can jump off is just plain silly!
Marlaina On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Keith Watson wrote: > Marlaina, > As having only drunk the kool-Aid this year myself I would have to agree that converting from a known state to an unknown state is a bit daunting. Between the V O keys and the navigators there are many ways to accomplish a task. But to add further confusion to this there are times when you might have to turn everything off and just use the plain old keyboard. For example, just the other day I was trying to get rid of some erroneous virtual machines in Fusion. I was interacting with a list of them and could not select the one that I needed to get rid of. Having the JAWS mindset I was trying to figure out how to get my mouse cursor over to the icon and left click it. My go to MAC genius and long time friend Scott Howell laughingly directed me to turn quick nav off and arrow key up and down the list. Boy did I feel like a fool! This is just one example of how daunting it may seem at times. When I first started I was overwhelmed by not knowing when to tab, arrow or use quick nav to get around the screen. Even today I may not be using the best method to accomplish a particular task, but you know what? That task is getting done. Once you get to the point where you "get it" and can become productive you will find that the journey was worth it. Seriously, the only Winblows machines that I have in the house now are my daughters way old piece of crap and a virtual machine that I need to boot now and again to vpn into an old employers network. Soon enough my daughters system will be replaced with a MAC. As I stated earlier, I have drunk the Kool-Aid. I may not agree with everything that Mr. Jobs has to say, but the commitment to accessibility that Apple has shown has made a convert of me. > He now jumps down off his soap box! Keith On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: > Thanks so much for this. I guess I need to understand more about what some > of the things mean. For example, (and I have not looked at the url you sent > yet), but in the commands help area there's a command that says something > like move a bit left or move a bit right. Now intuitively, I know what those > words mean but I'll be darned if I know when to use them. That's what I mean > when I say for a new Mac user, I wish Apple had been a bit more descriptive. > But, I'm not complaining and I'm not giving up. > > Marlaina > > > On Dec 18, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Andre Nuno Soares wrote: > > Marlaina, > > It's not like "press alt f4 to shut the door", but I find Appendix A of the > VoiceOver guide very useful as a kind of cheat sheet: > http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1131.html > > > HTH, > André > > On Dec 18, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: > >> Ah, I did that and it worked. Wow, I knew about command shift h but forgot >> I knew it. Using that and command shift k, I can get easily from my Netgear >> and my mac files. I wish there were some really good tutorials available >> that would help drill some of this stuff into newbies or oldbies like me. >> When I use to teach windows, I'd use little sayings with my students like >> press alt f4 to shut the door; this helped them remember. I can't come up >> with any such little cutesy things for the Mac OS. It's hard to remember >> all these things if you don't use them on a regular basis. But, obviously >> many of you have done just that. Any tips and tricks to start remembering >> all this stuff would be really appreciated. But, command shift h is one >> I'll never forget again! >> >> Marlaina >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> You have to be in an area with folders files or apps besides the desktop. >> So from your finder, press command shift H, to go to your user folder. Now >> press command 3 and voiceover will announce column checked. >> >> hth >> >> Ricardo Walker >> [email protected] >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: >> >>> Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. >>> Should it have said column mode? >>> >>> Marlaina >>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: >>> >>> Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why >>> some things and folders don't work the way they did. Obviously, I haven't >>> yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works >>> best. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Carolyn H >>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and >>>> left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you >>>> can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. >>>> >>>> hth >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> [email protected] >>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode >>>>> of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list >>>>> mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a >>>>> column. >>>>> >>>>> Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks >>>>> that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... >>>>> >>>>> In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most >>>>> column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one >>>>> turns on "preview" mode for the browser then the right most column will >>>>> have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file >>>>> information (including I believe a "start playing" button for A/V files. >>>>> What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow >>>>> to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde >>>>> inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at >>>>> "Library/Application Support/Apple" and hit a right arrow "Apple" will be >>>>> selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in >>>>> "Library/Application Support" is. in a finder or window or a file >>>>> selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you >>>>> do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but >>>>> thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. >>>>> >>>>> Marlaina >>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jim: >>>>> Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will >>>>> open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked >>>>> and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when >>>>> simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it >>>>> needs the command-o. >>>>> HTH >>>>> Carolyn Haas >>>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Howdy Folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the >>>>>> applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to >>>>>> navigate into and around the Applications folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can someone let me know how to go about this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's what I've tried so far... >>>>>> >>>>>> VO + d to go to the dock >>>>>> VO + right arrow several times until I hear "applications folder" >>>>>> VO + space to open the folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I >>>>>> use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different >>>>>> icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO >>>>>> + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though >>>>>> I've opened this window. >>>>>> >>>>>> All help would be much appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> -- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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