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This way the list traffic can be more pertinent and manageable for all list members. Thanks so much and please do continue the great content and participation! Have a lovely night and catch y'all laters! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Tyler wood wrote: I have a braille lite 2000, and 40. I love them both and they actually still work. I still read books with them. On 2011-03-07, at 7:50 PM, Cheree wrote: > Cheree heppe here: > I have a working Millennium 20 and really like it. I don't care that it is a > legacy device. > > Regards, > Cheree heppe > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 07/03/2011, at 17:12, Tyler wood <tcwoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, but FS sure isn't helping the price go down any. >> >> It couldn't anyway, not yet anyway. The cells that produce the braille are >> super expensive. >> >> I can't believe FS is still selling the pac mate, actually. I miss the days >> of the braille lites. >> >> Tyler >> On 2011-03-07, at 1:48 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: >> >>> Oh come on! Are you really saying that if only Freedom Scientific >>> hadn't come up with the signed Braille driver that we'd have >>> universal, inexpensive Braille displays? >>> >>> I would say that Braille displays are expensive to produce and >>> maintain, which is one big reason we don't have more affordable >>> braille displays. >>> >>> I would also say there's been little demand for universal Braille >>> displays, assuming universal means that it works with the HID >>> protocal. >>> >>> JIm >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 11:40:54AM -0800, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> Yeppers. That's why. >>>> >>>> On 07/03/2011, at 11:05, "Cheree Heppe" <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>>> >>>>> Is that why we don't have universal, affordable, Braille displays? >>>>> Because intrenched providers are holding new development and innivation >>>>> back to benefit current high priced offerings? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Cheree Heppe >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Scott Granados" <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:32 >>>>> Subject: Re: macbook air vs ipad 2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apple isn't going to car if some nat of a company like fS brings legal >>>>> action. >>>>> >>>>> Apple can simply use stalling tactics and let them run out of money >>>>> spinning their wheels. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jane wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We're assuming they will do Braille. That'd be neat, *if* they can pull >>>>>> it off and *if* Braille display makers don't push them out of the market >>>>>> by constantly suing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jane >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah don't forget it's thinner. When haptics comes out think of the >>>>>>> screen room you wil have for braille right there. >>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Cheree wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>>>>>> I like the IPad, actually. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I went for the I-devicees first because they open a very intuitive, >>>>>>>> easy entre into the Apple environment. No commands and keystroke >>>>>>>> chording and what seemed to me a quick start interface. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a bit, I'm ggoing to get an Air or Mac, but would have done so with >>>>>>>> much more trepidation if not having tried the I-devices first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As to the base measurements of a PacMate being smaller than an IPad, >>>>>>>> true, but that's only a single dimension. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Cheree Heppe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05/03/2011, at 19:07, "David Tanner" <david.tanner...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, let's see, the iPad is clunkier to carry around than an iPhone >>>>>>>>> or iTouch. The iPad is almost as expensive as buying the basic >>>>>>>>> MacBook Pro 13 with two gigabytes of memory, and the processor in the >>>>>>>>> new iPad is only a 1.0 gigahert duel core processor. The MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>> 13 has a lot faster processor than that and so does the Ayer if you >>>>>>>>> want to pay the higher price for solid state memory instead of a hard >>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The iPad makes me think of all the blind folks that have complained >>>>>>>>> about the size of the PacMate QT. In fact, I don't think that the >>>>>>>>> PacMate QT would be as large in flat area as the iPad. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" >>>>>>>>> <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:46 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: macbook air vs ipad 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Me personally, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I need to get work done, I would go with a Macbook air. Its a >>>>>>>>> full fledged computer, and besides the added size, you will find >>>>>>>>> yourself bumping up against less barriers when trying to get things >>>>>>>>> done. Especially if you have an iPhone or iPod touch already. What >>>>>>>>> are you really missing in not getting an iPad? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JMO >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Denise Avant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hello all, >>>>>>>>>> i am contemplating getting another apple device. i need something >>>>>>>>>> that is light to take when i travel. i was thinking of the ipad 2 >>>>>>>>>> because you can get pages to write with. the only problem here is >>>>>>>>>> that there is no port for external media like a usb drive, is there? >>>>>>>>>> my other alternative is that i can get the macbook air. but its a >>>>>>>>>> little bigger. i really don't need a screen. but i would have a port >>>>>>>>>> for external media. of course i would miss all of those apps you can >>>>>>>>>> have on the ipad. >>>>>>>>>> that can be negated by the fact that i have an iphone. >>>>>>>>>> well, i would be interested in hearing from those with the air. i >>>>>>>>>> know the ipad 2 is not out yet, but i'm sure there are some first >>>>>>>>>> generation ipad users here. >>>>>>>>>> thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more 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