and what about those of us who can not do without it, also how does this explain why I am told that the new I5 macbok pro doesn't have the o issues? How many of us have 13" macbooks?
On Mar 15, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > A detailed search for the problems listed in the crash report indicate a > memory leak involving several libraries. audio hijack pro I can do without. > unfortunately, once its installed, its pretty hard to find all its components > and remove them. right now though, I don't have a sufficiently large enough > backup drive to backup all my data to. so, a reinstall is not possible > currently. > > -Eric > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote: > >> Erick, that's very unfortunate. >> I know that growl causes some problems with Voice over and the way that >> audio hijack pro intercepts sound may cause problems as well. >> If however, you say that you are experiencing this behavior even before >> install applications, have you thought of this being something hardware >> related? >> Just a thought. >> >> Nektarios. >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> I wish I was overstating the problem. >>> as for installed utilities. I have soundflower, audio hijack pro, growl, >>> Skype and adium. I can tell you, the issues started even from a clean >>> install before having any of these utilities/applications installed. I have >>> included one of the crash handler reports as an attached text file. this >>> happens 5 or 6 times a day. >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote: >>> >>>> Well well, even if you didn't before, now you are definitely overstating >>>> things and rather badly. >>>> As we can tell from the various posts about this subject, there are many >>>> people on this list who don't have the problem and especially with the >>>> frequency and behavior you are describing. >>>> Du to the way you are describing your experience with Mac OS, and the >>>> attitude you have towards this situation I have to ask. >>>> Have you considered that you may have installed something yourself that >>>> compromises the stability of Voice Over or your system in general? >>>> Finally, I would rather press command + f5 a couple of times to get Voice >>>> Over back, if that ever happens to me, than use a poorly written, overly >>>> expensive trash like Jaws. >>>> >>>> Nektarios. >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>> >>>>> zack, >>>>> I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, >>>>> and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously >>>>> considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been >>>>> occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off >>>>> then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I >>>>> do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is >>>>> linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). >>>>> >>>>> so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 >>>>> machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another >>>>> $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I >>>>> don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>>> I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, >>>>>> but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often >>>>>> as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two >>>>>> solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not >>>>>> loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be >>>>>> stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when >>>>>> it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I >>>>>>> have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better >>>>>>> with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. >>>>>>> in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to >>>>>>> accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug >>>>>>> reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift >>>>>>> kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would >>>>>>> do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to >>>>>>> do something about this problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described >>>>>>>> might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time >>>>>>>> Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to >>>>>>>> recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and >>>>>>>> then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has >>>>>>>> worked since "Shut Down" is the default selection in this dialogue.. >>>>>>>> I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising >>>>>>>> them of something they probably already know by now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My best to all and thanks again, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest >>>>>>>>> way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. >>>>>>>>> This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, >>>>>>>>> press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets >>>>>>>>> fixed soon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on >>>>>>>>> my iMac. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Robert Carter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For >>>>>>>>>> reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, >>>>>>>>>> especially when I am using Mail. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to >>>>>>>>>> "unload itself," and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit >>>>>>>>>> Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its >>>>>>>>>> disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear >>>>>>>>>> at will. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be >>>>>>>>>> causing it? 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