Hi Jonathan,

THanks for the info. I was going to try bridge mode and have the gateway 
handout the DHCP addresses, but of course this means I loose my DHCP 
reservations. That isn't a big deal really and I could probably set the lease 
time to something really long if it were necessary. As long as I don't loose 
the ability to control things via mac address, this might solve all the 
problems. Of course I screwed myself by accident by turning off the DHCP server 
on the gateway and forgot to fix the AirPort and had to call COmcast to have 
them fix the mistake. :) Yep, really should not muck about with these things 
when tired and to busy to focus on more than 10 things at once. :)

Scott

On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> I would suggest using the bridge mode on the Apple routers.  Generally only 
> tunnelling will cause you issues, but any VPN will probably use tunneling.  
> You should still be able to block MAC addresses in one of the manual airport 
> controls  even with DHCP turned off.
> 
> My problem with NAT is that the router needs to keep a mapping of all traffic 
> and on a busy network it will eventually decide to drop that mapping.  So if 
> you are double natting then you are going to have twice the chance that a 
> long not very active session will get dropped by one of your routers.
> 
> As 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Here is the situation. I recently switched to Comcast business class. I was 
>> provided with a SMC Network cable modem. THis box is actually a switch 
>> consisting of four ports. Currently I have my AirPort router plugged into 
>> the SMC and thus I have a double nat situation. THe SMC is configured to 
>> handout DHCP addresses, which is how my AirPort gets its address, but I also 
>> am handing out addresses using DHCP to the devices on my private network. I 
>> actually am using DHCP reservations and for a specific reason.
>> I have setup mac address filtering to control certain machines on the 
>> network. Unfortunately the SMC lacks some of the features for controlling 
>> machines that are found in the Apple router. However, this double nat 
>> situation can and has created some issues for me. I could of course just 
>> bridge the AirPort and give up the whole deal on controlling machines on the 
>> network. That may very well end up being necessary in the end; however, 
>> before I do so, I wanted to ask if anyone had any thoughts. I did a little 
>> searching around on Google, but unfortunately I'm not sure exactly what to 
>> look for either. I don't think Google would take my message as a search term 
>> either. :)
>> Although I do not have any plans to do this, the advantage of double nat in 
>> this case is I could strap three more routers onto the gateway (SMC) and 
>> have some fun. Now maybe there is a way around all of this, but seems the 
>> current issue is IP6 tunneling, but I am more concerned if this could pose 
>> problems with other services. So, thoughts welcome and I'll keep poking 
>> around and see what I can learn. The good thing is that all seems to be 
>> working for the most part, so this is not a critical need situation. Just 
>> need to make sure I can vpn into the network at the office. :)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
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