Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow Leopard, 
and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a March 2011 
Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 seconds to boot 
up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. 
Friendly,
Chris

On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote:

> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. 
> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing
> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully 
> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues.
> Good night, all!
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
> Importance: High
> 
> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say,
> they seem to be getting very sloppy.  I mean, ok, here's my thing.  I
> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill.  the only reason
> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this.  I
> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs.
> come on, lookit!  We have some beta testers on here, do we not?  Admit it,
> did you all see any of these bugs?  If not, then wow.  I apologize.  Really
> I do.  I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself,
> but, really, think about this for justa minute.  OK, you all can shoot me, I
> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention,
> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear
> me out for a second.
> 
> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up.
> 
> Just let me have this for a sec.
> 
> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's
> opinion standpoint, ok?
> 
> this way it's more fair.
> 
> 1.  We all agree this is a new O S, right?
> 
> 2.  We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right?  Uh dab
> dab dap? Holdit!  I'm not done, listen to me!  I'm still talking.  You'll
> get your chance.  I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in
> a software update.  I'll address that in a second.  right now, we're just
> looking at the facts.  OK?  So I repeat:
> 
> 2.  Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy?  Yes,
> or no.
> 
> 3.  Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been
> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official
> release?  Yes or no>?
> 
> 4.  Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated
> to some degree?
> 
> OK then.
> 
> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and
> everyone else on list by some members.  Look, I feel you all's frustration,
> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the
> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many.  But, there is a
> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more
> progressed.  Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state
> right now.
> 
> do we need to chill?  OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think
> that an O S should be this buggy before official release?  I know you all
> don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it,
> but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth.  The
> blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail
> miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty.  Now, does this mean I'm
> saying that they are purposefully? doing this?  No!  Mark it in red what I
> say here:  Ab, suh, lootly? not!  I think they're just becoming more and
> more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved.  Maybe they're trying to
> take on too much at once.  I, don't, know!  I don't know what goes on behind
> the scenes there?  I probably don't, wanna? know!  The point is, we really
> can't make accusations, can we!  We don't know if they're really working
> behind the scene or not.  So, on the one hand, should we probably just
> chill?  Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to
> constructively complain about observations I've found?  Yes.  Is it
> justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow
> exist?  Yes!  It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce
> who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL!  ROFL!
> 
> You get the point.
> 
> So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me.  I'm only
> trying to help you all, and make suggestions.  I may come on harsh at times,
> I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you
> blame me?  Are we not all at one point or another in life?  Bluntly? Deal
> with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science!
> 
> OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace and
> hopefully've been heard.  Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to all
> of you all.  I rest my case.
> 
> Chris.
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