I think definitely part of the problem is that, with a new OS, we do have to learn to do things in a different way, but I also wonder if we can isolate these problems to specific system configurations. I have an iMac with 4 GB RAM, 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and I am not having the lag issues people are experiencing. I do get the strange com.apple.extras message on boot up, but it doesn't really bother me. I'm more intrigued about it than anything else. I don't notice much of a difference at all in boot up times, although I rarely reboot my iMac anyway. I don't doubt at all that people are having problems, but since some of us are having problems and others not, I wonder if we can try to isolate the issues instead of just saying how terrible things are? On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi, > > I would disagree with the premise that Apple is getting sloppy as well as the > comment of Lion being riddled with bugs to the point of a Beta release. > Apple's commitment to accessibility is evident through the improvements and > modifications to VO and the group of Beta testers involved in its Beta phase. > > As mentioned in previous posts, most of the issues called bugs over the last > few days of posting are simply a different way of doing things. Humans, for > the most part, resist change. There are some exceptions but most of us get > used to doing things in a certain way and are set back when things are > changed/modified. That's partially why we here so much noise about VO not > being as good as JAWS by many PC users and many early switchers. > > I, myself, have been a VO user since its introduction in 2005 and each time > the new OS is released, I struggle with some of the new ways of doing things. > This isn't to say that each of my struggles are bugs in the OS > implementation, they are just hurdles for me because I'm used to doing things > in a different way. > > So, in a nutshell, I take exception to comments on Apple's sloppiness. I > agree that Lion is slower in booting, but if I don't turn my Mac off that > often, then what's the big deal. I agree that there is quite a number of > things done differently, but, you still can teach an old dog new tricks, and > I'm game for it. > > Just my opinion. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-24, at 12:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > >> Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow >> Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a >> March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 >> seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. >> Friendly, >> Chris >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: >> >>> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >>> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >>> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >>> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >>> Good night, all! >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>> Gilland >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> Importance: High >>> >>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >>> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >>> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >>> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >>> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >>> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >>> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >>> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >>> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >>> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >>> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >>> me out for a second. >>> >>> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >>> >>> Just let me have this for a sec. >>> >>> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >>> opinion standpoint, ok? >>> >>> this way it's more fair. >>> >>> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >>> >>> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >>> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >>> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >>> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >>> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >>> >>> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, >>> or no. >>> >>> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been >>> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official >>> release? Yes or no>? >>> >>> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated >>> to some degree? >>> >>> OK then. >>> >>> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and >>> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, >>> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the >>> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a >>> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more >>> progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state >>> right now. >>> >>> do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think >>> that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all >>> don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, >>> but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The >>> blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail >>> miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm >>> saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I >>> say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and >>> more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to >>> take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind >>> the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really >>> can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working >>> behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just >>> chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to >>> constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it >>> justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow >>> exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce >>> who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL! >>> >>> You get the point. >>> >>> So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only >>> trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at times, >>> I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you >>> blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal >>> with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science! >>> >>> OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace and >>> hopefully've been heard. Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to all >>> of you all. I rest my case. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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