Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a sollution

Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:53:25 -0700 

The web site is found at:

http://www.bresink.com/osx/TemperatureMonitor.html

and the direct download is at:

http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TemperatureMonitor/download.php5

Look on that page for the download button, and vo+Space on it.

Good luck.

Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McEwan" <[email protected]> 
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a sollution


Where do you find temperature monitor?



In the Journey,

Ron

On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
I ran temperature monitor while I still had lion installed, and I'm not sure I was reading it's output correctly because it's not an app I'm familiar with, but assuming I did read it correctly, my temperatures were around 104F, which seemed awfully hot to me. I reported the overheating issue again today when I spoke to the Apple rep who is helping me with my midi issues. He said he completely understands going back to SL until this issue gets fixed, and he said he'd report that it has been 
determined that spotlight has quite a lot to do with this.
Personally, I'd be perfectly happy never to run spotlight at all. I know where I put my files, so if it’s a resource that can be disabled safely, then that's what I'd prefer to do. I'm still going to wait on an update or two to lion before I make it my primary OS again, just because I really don't want to take any chances on inadvertently frying my brand new macbook pro. 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a sollution
Odd! You and I have the same system basically, except that your's is a Pro, 
where mine isn['t, but m ine's also Mid 2010.

Dule core Intel 2.4GHZ, 2GB Ram, 250GB hard Drive, Lion OSX 10.7, 13 inch
display.

I can get my SMC Firmware version number, if you'd like me to, but I know,
after referencing it on the Apple web site, that it is the newest, and when 
I tried to reinstall it from the dmg that I downloaded, as advised by a
Senior advisor, the checksum on the version I had installed and on the DMG I 
downloaded matched to a T.  So... yeah...

I definitely think that the MDS Daemon has a lot to do with this, perhaps
that isn't the only thing, but again, I staned before god, regardless what
Carolyn, and others think, to say, for me, doing the things that I outlined 
last night, has now made my core 1 and 2, According to the app called
Temperature Monitor, (Which is freeware by the way,) go dow3n to half,
approx. where they were.  Before, it was running with core 1 and 2, each
individually at about 85C, with the fans running about 2000RPM, and my
graffics chip when screen was at 0 percent brightness+screen curtain
enabled, at about 90C.  Now half all those figures or roughly.  When I
called Apple, they really didn't seem to care, or take the fact seriously
that I almost burnt myself the other night when trying to move the system
from my desk to my couch, and believe me, I have fairly tough skin. I don't 
burn easy.  So, yeah, I don't know the deal, but it seems very odd that it
was so hot that this happened, and that I've found tons of people having
this issue.  Just go to google, and search for

macbook+lion+running hot
I promise you'll find multiple results which reference this issue. The fact that Apple didn't take me seriously, and seems to think that 200F for a CPU is normal, and that over-heating would be around 450F...? Uh huhhum? Yeah, 
that would be overheating if it was a bottle rocket, but multen if it's
metel, as it is.  Needless to say, I question that advisor's credibility.
If anyone wants to benchmark their system, as I said, just google for an app 
called Temperature Monitor.  the app store might even have it.  I didn't
look there. I found it just by Googling, so, sorry, no longer have the U R 
L.  If you all have issues finding it though, let me know and I'll try to
dig it out of my history.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Malone" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a sollution



Wow, I'm honestly amazed so many of you are having this problem. Is it
only on the really new models? Mine is the mid 2010 one, and its fine.
MBP by the way.

On 7/27/11, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm not totally sure yet if Apple is aware of this problem or not, but
I'm
gonna call them here in a few minutes when they open.

Chris.

On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:


Well, all I know is this.  Yesterday, My poor Mac book pro was indeed
running very very hot; but, today, not so.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On Jul 27, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:


I understand, and completely agree. I just knew something wasn't quite
right when I was running Lion, so for now at least,
I'm happy I've downgraded. Does apple know about the cause of the
over-heating now? If not, I can mention it to them; have an
appointment to talk to a rep in a couple of hours regarding my midi
playback issue. I'll be booting from my external drive
that has Lion on it, but will wait til the last minute prior to the
call
to do so. I don't want my computer to be toasted.
(smile)


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a
sollution

The thing is that Spotlight, yes, can be easily disabled.  If you
follow
all
my steps up until I start going into Terminal, in theory, that should!
work,
but the reason I did the terminal work is just to absolutely beyond a
doubt
be certained that it wouldn't try pulling anything stupid in the
background
unknowingly, as frankly, I dono about you Missy, but, I don't like
surprises, nor over-heated logicboards, as they don't taste too good
when
cooked for dinner.  LOL!

Take care.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Missy Hoppe" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:15 AM
Subject: RE: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a
sollution



Hi! I'd definitely be interested in learning how to disable spotlight
the
safe way. Those instructions sent earlier were way
over my little head, that's for sure! I have no doubt that they'd
work,
but as I read them, all I could think was: "Or... Go
back to SL until Lion is fised." If spotlight can be disabled simply
and
safely in sl too, though, I'd love instructions on
that. Might that be something you'd cover in an up-coming podcast?


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a
sollution

I actually have spot light disabled in snow leppard as well. If
cocktail
works with lion, I will use it to disable spot
light, it will do this by unchecking one option. I know where I keep
everything on my computer, so I have no need for
spotlight, those resources are better used for other things.
On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning! This is not! going to be 
for
the faint at heart.  It's all software-sided, you

won't be taking things apart, LOL!  but it's still ***not!***
something
I
advise a nuby trying to take on unless you follow
my instructions to, a, T!


Again, let's get a few things straight:  I, nor any mods, nor any
members, nor Apple will be held responsible for anything

that may occur from doing th3e following process.  You agree by doing
this
to hold everyone on the list including myself as
well as Apple totally blameless.  Though I'm not saying to do this,
it's
a
sure fix.


First of all, the problem at hand:

I hate saying this, but after hours of research the past few days,
I've
determined that it's the mds server daemon that is

causing the over-heating of up to 2 thousand rpm on the fan and about
85
degrees celcius, which is, by the way, over twice!
gasp! Yikes! what the fan temp, should be!


I'm not totally sure why, but I tell you, it has to do with the way
Spotlight in Lion indexes things.  for those who like

Lion, I'll say this: Fine! leave it on and don't do this procedure,
but
I'll also say, don't come crying to me nor Apple when
your logicboard fries from overheating.  I say this not to scare you,
but,
realisticly, if you're anything like me, your fans
will be running about twice as fast and your smc will be about twice
as
hot.


Mark, I'm sorry if I'm out of line by posting these directions, but
as
I
am saying again and again after again, You! do

this soly! at your own risk!


Let's get started!  I'll say again, follow me to a T!  If you don't,
then
don't look at me if something doesn't work, or

breaks.


1.  Quick with command+Q every single app you currently have opened,
obviously except for Mail, so that you can keep

reading how to do this.


2.  Go to system preferences, then to Spotlight

3.  On the search results tab, vo+right arrow over to the table, and
interact with it, then in the first column, uncheck

every? single one! of the boxes on each row.  I know, you're going
WTF!
That's gonna disable my spotlight!  Yes. It will.
You're correct.  %That's the only? way we're for now, until an update
comes out gonna fix this.  I'm sorry, it's either this,
or have an over-heating logicboard.


4.  Now, go to the exclusions tab, and vo+Space on the add button.

.  In the browser window, interact with the browser, then hit
command+shift+C to go to computer.

6.  locate Macintosh HD.  don't! open it, just arrow to and select
it.
I
repeat: don't! open it, just highlight it.

7.  Stop interacting with the browser, and go to the open/choose
button,
or whatever it's called, can't remember exactly.

8.  When told this could effect other applications from the search
feature working, just say yes/ok to add it to the

exclusions list.  Trust me, you'll be fine.


9.  Press command+W to close System Preferences.

O? K!  Now, for the really brutal work!  I know I've said this
before,
but I say again, follow me, to? a, T!

1.  Open your Utilities folder with command+shift+U, then command+O
on
terminal.app.

2.  Disable the indexing of spotlight by typing

sudo mdsutil -a -i off

Then press return.

Type your administrator password, then hit return.

Great!  Now indexing should be disabled.

3.  Now, unload the spotlight daemonn by typing:

sudo launchctl unload -w
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.metadata/mds/plist

Then press return.  You may again need to enter your password, but
probably not.
If you get a message that the daemon already is unloaded, then you're 
done! If not, that should unload things, at which

point you're done, either way!


Now, if you really wanna be a smart butt, and totally make the
spotllight
menu bar item totally vannish for the time being,

in terminal type the following two commands.  I should add all these
commands are case sensitive, so if you messed up above,
it's ok, you didn't do any harm, just go do 'em again.


Here's the command to make the spotlight disappear.  I'd not advise
doing
this, but if you really? want to, here's what to

type:


sudo chmod 600
/System/Library/CoreServices/Search.bundle/Contents/MacOS/Search

Then for the change to take effect, type:

killall SystemUIServer

And hit return.

Then quit Terminal with command+Q.

Boom!  Congradulations, no more spotlight, and boom! no more hot
computer!

Once I've been notified that Apple has made an update to address
this,
I'll write another e-mail post on how to undo all

this crap.
Again, I didn't say this was for the faint of heart, and if something 
blew up in your face along the way, again, I didn't

say! to do this!  I said, do it soly at your own risk.


Chris.
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