Hi,
Just a couple of comments, I have not read the bio yet. Still the book is
not a history of apple computers. Instead its a bio from a father to his
children so they understand him and why he made the time choices he did.
As for Jobs involvement inaccessibility, bare in mind that there have
been exactly two and only two screen readers for the mac, outspoken and
voiceover. for years outspoken did the job, and Jobs was intense about
the proprietary nature of Apple. That is why they were so expensive, and
that was /is why they are built largely like tanks. Nothing went into a
mac that he did not want there, end of story. No matter his motives, he
saw a market and built for that market. the market has been here for
years, but no one saw it that way.
just my two cents,
Karen
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
Hi,
Thats true, but he would have done the exact same for any other
feature of iOs - that won't have been exclusive to accessibility. I'm
not saying that he didn't care about it all, but people talking about
him as if he was some sort of missionary is a bit over the top imo; he
won't have made voiceover out of the good of his heart, he will have
done it because there was a market that the iPhone hadn't entered.
I do agree that they've done an amazing job with vo and I find it
quite ironic that arguably the best phone for a blind person to
purchase is one with a touch screen.
On 30/10/2011, Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Another arguement i have from some other sources are that, considering
how "hand on" person he is, won't be surprise if he has a major impack
on their accessibility.
Regardless, does it matter? After all, come to the products, and the
products are useful, accessible, and become an essential in our life.
Considering how much Apple take on their Grapic approach, and how much
it can be also accessible, that prove something isn't it? After all,
who would have thought, graphics and accessibility can go together
hand in hand. 5 years ago, if you are blind, and tell someone that you
want a totally touch phone they think you insane too.
I wonder what sort of biography will people like founders of Freedom
Scientific, Humanware, GWMicro, and so on gotta write? "Provide less
than satisfy accessible product, and sucking every bit of your money
out of your bank"?
On 30/10/2011, Ben Mustill-Rose <bmustillr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
There wasn't any mention of accessibility in the biography at all, but
then again, hardly any of the individual features of osx or iOs were
mentioned iether.
The opinion that I have is that whilst he probably had little to no
involvement in accessibility, its because of him that it works so well
- he probably saw a few bits here and there and gave them his blessing
or dismissed them.
On 30/10/2011, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I didn't read the book yet but, How much did Jobs really have to do with
making Apple products accessible? I mean, was he like overseeing the
maturation process of voiceover like IOS or OSX?
Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org
On Oct 29, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
I've just read the biography, too. I'm amazed he lived as long as he
did.
I also think the author was a bit harsh, pointing out that Steve Jobs
wasn't into philanthropy — for me, he went one better, he aimed to make
Apple products accessible to everyone. That attitude is much less
patronising!
Cheers,
Anne
On 29 Oct 2011, at 22:32, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
I've finished his biography; it wasn't light reading but it was very
interesting and I'm glad I read it.
On 29/10/2011, Nektarios Mallas <nmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
That was great reading! Thanks for posting.
Nektarios.
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