Hi, The point of this portion of the thread was pretty much about his motivations in regard to accessibility on the Mac and IOS and, how much of a role did he play in it. so, I'm not sure you can say "there, end of story. No matter his motives, he saw a market and built for that…".
Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Oct 30, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > Just a couple of comments, I have not read the bio yet. Still the book is > not a history of apple computers. Instead its a bio from a father to his > children so they understand him and why he made the time choices he did. > As for Jobs involvement inaccessibility, bare in mind that there have been > exactly two and only two screen readers for the mac, outspoken and voiceover. > for years outspoken did the job, and Jobs was intense about the proprietary > nature of Apple. That is why they were so expensive, and that was /is why > they are built largely like tanks. Nothing went into a mac that he did not > want there, end of story. No matter his motives, he saw a market and built > for that market. the market has been here for years, but no one saw it that > way. > just my two cents, > Karen > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thats true, but he would have done the exact same for any other >> feature of iOs - that won't have been exclusive to accessibility. I'm >> not saying that he didn't care about it all, but people talking about >> him as if he was some sort of missionary is a bit over the top imo; he >> won't have made voiceover out of the good of his heart, he will have >> done it because there was a market that the iPhone hadn't entered. >> I do agree that they've done an amazing job with vo and I find it >> quite ironic that arguably the best phone for a blind person to >> purchase is one with a touch screen. >> >> On 30/10/2011, Joanne Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Another arguement i have from some other sources are that, considering >>> how "hand on" person he is, won't be surprise if he has a major impack >>> on their accessibility. >>> >>> Regardless, does it matter? After all, come to the products, and the >>> products are useful, accessible, and become an essential in our life. >>> >>> Considering how much Apple take on their Grapic approach, and how much >>> it can be also accessible, that prove something isn't it? After all, >>> who would have thought, graphics and accessibility can go together >>> hand in hand. 5 years ago, if you are blind, and tell someone that you >>> want a totally touch phone they think you insane too. >>> >>> I wonder what sort of biography will people like founders of Freedom >>> Scientific, Humanware, GWMicro, and so on gotta write? "Provide less >>> than satisfy accessible product, and sucking every bit of your money >>> out of your bank"? >>> >>> On 30/10/2011, Ben Mustill-Rose <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> There wasn't any mention of accessibility in the biography at all, but >>>> then again, hardly any of the individual features of osx or iOs were >>>> mentioned iether. >>>> The opinion that I have is that whilst he probably had little to no >>>> involvement in accessibility, its because of him that it works so well >>>> - he probably saw a few bits here and there and gave them his blessing >>>> or dismissed them. >>>> >>>> On 30/10/2011, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I didn't read the book yet but, How much did Jobs really have to do with >>>>> making Apple products accessible? I mean, was he like overseeing the >>>>> maturation process of voiceover like IOS or OSX? >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've just read the biography, too. I'm amazed he lived as long as he >>>>>> did. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also think the author was a bit harsh, pointing out that Steve Jobs >>>>>> wasn't into philanthropy — for me, he went one better, he aimed to make >>>>>> Apple products accessible to everyone. That attitude is much less >>>>>> patronising! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 Oct 2011, at 22:32, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I've finished his biography; it wasn't light reading but it was very >>>>>>> interesting and I'm glad I read it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29/10/2011, Nektarios Mallas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> That was great reading! 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