Want to be careful what we ask for. If we stick to the letter of the law there is that whole rats nest of DMCA, at least for those in the states. DMCA says it's illegal to crack encryption (DRM) which means anyone trying to pull content from their DVD to an iPod, strip out the audio or just make a backup copy is in violation. Real Networks fought this by arguing "Fair Use" about a year ago and gave this up:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/dmca-muscle-strong-arms-dvd-copying/

From the article:

Judge Patel, in her ruling in the RealNetworks case, said “while it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally owned DVD on that individual’s computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies.”

So any discussions related to these topic should also be banned. No more Handbrake, RipIt or other tools help as it is enabling folks to break the law.

CB

On 11/1/11 2:02 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:
Hello All,

Firstly a happy Halloween to you!

Okay so now on to list biz.

There has been some questionable activity here of late, including posting of 
mp3 links which are, put simply, not legal. This is to say that those who 
download these are pirating them.

I want you all to know that this sort of behavior is not tolerated here. -And, 
that we have a one-strike and you're out policy.

So, in future, be aware of this.

Simply put, if the material you're posting here on this list is not legally 
allowed to be shared with the general public then it's not allowed here.

This also goes for tips on use of software in ways that it's not intended to be 
used. I.E. the thread regarding using OSX on non-Mac machines etc.

The spirit of the law here is that this is not legal, and the letter of the law 
honestly isn't perfectly clear on this just yet, so as long as this is 
questionable in its legality, guess what, -It's off-limits here.

-So again, this is not welcome here and will not be tolerated.

So if you'd like to post something that you know is questionable or illegal, 
don't bother, if you'd like to stay on this list. :) -Know what I mean?

If you'd like to post something here that you're not sure about, I.E. if you 
aren't sure if it's acceptable, then by all means, write me and ask. You can 
get in touch at:

[email protected] or [email protected]

Now I'm sorry it's taken me this long to address these issues in the last few 
days, but quite honestly, y'all should know better! :) -Yes?…

So thanks for reading and please do keep the conversation legit, intelligent 
and relevant, K?

Ya'll rock and hope you've had a lovely / scary Halloweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!!

Screams!

Cara :)
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On Oct 31, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

I didn't see the original message, but I thought I should comment.

offering to help with software or offering to acquire software is not a 
copyright offense UNLESS there is an offer to acquire it illegally or crack it 
to bypass copyright protections. also, US copyright laws are usually not 
enforceable in other countries unless there is a treaty in effect.

now the man sent an email to the list when it was supposed to be sent to a 
private individual.

now, is it a violation of apple's EULA for me to run their OS on unsupported 
hardware. technically yes. However, since I purchased the OS X disk (retail 
from apple) and there is case law stating that apple cannot keep me from 
running said software on unsupported hardware, I am not technically in 
violation of the law.now, apple is not going to bring a case against me for 
this because it benefits them for me to do so (I debug drivers and find 
problems, which get reported to the apple dev team). this allows apple to 
better evaluate their code and make corrections or remove bugs.

also, there was a recent appellate court ruling that narrows the scope of DMCA, 
thus allowing me to be able to run the OS where I want it simply because I own 
the dvd upon which the OS installer files are placed. I am not a lawyer, so it 
is suggested that you check with one over any of the points made.

end of off topic post )and thread I hope).

-Eric

On Oct 31, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

What would you rather he do instead?

On 01/11/2011, Kristyn Leigh<[email protected]>  wrote:
An apology is not sufficient for providing illegal versions of copyrighted
materials to anyone.  Perhaps the folks in the legal department at Audible
would like to respond to your offer.

On Oct 29, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

Guys, I posted a message to the list by accident a minute ago.
I understand that it is impossible to take it bak, so please disregard it.

I am sorry, I meant to send this to another person.

Apologies.
Nektarios.

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