Hello,

Very well. I have put up two warnings for this being off-topic, but I
have noticed that some people have taken offense at my posting this on
an apple-only mailing list.
I will therefore not speak of it again, or perhaps one more time to
share a link to a dedicated list for discussions regarding this
proposal.
Please understand that all I attempted to do was gauge the interest
for this kind of project. I can see now that my attempt has been ill-
received and has even been called 'completely inappropriate' by some.
I will not be as childish as to mention any names or point any fingers
here. If the moderators of this mailing list feel these messages
should be removed, by all means go ahead.
I will not bother this community again, after having maybe posted the
above mentioned link.

Have a nice day everyone,
Florian
PS: To those who did think it was a good idea, know that I will not
abandon it. I have had enough positive responses to make it
worthwhile, but you won't find any news of it here.


On 3 jan, 14:28, Emrah <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Florian,
>
> My understanding of "taking it off list" is exactly what you described in 
> your message and I approve Kawal's suggestion.
> I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but perhaps you could create a new 
> discussion list and paste a link here to invite the interested ones to join?
> Your idea sounds good and I definitely recommend a brainstorming session 
> through a dedicated list to get it started.
>
> My personal technical suggestion would be to create a sort of Wiki where 
> everybody could post tips and tricks, whether it is digital or not, actually.
>
> Best of luck for your project,
>
> --
> Emrah
>
> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
> Albert Einstein
>
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:58 AM, f10r14n wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > No need to write you off list for you can just use the 'reply to
> > author' function or get my email address from the from: line in my
> > emails. I was only posting here to announce my idea, and if Cara tells
> > me to stop posting then I will.
> > I am reluctant to take this off list for I want people to be able to
> > keep up with the goings on of this idea.
>
> > Florian
>
> > On 3 jan, 13:05, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Why not take this off list as Cara does not like completely OT.  After all 
> >> its her list in a sense and we have to abide by the rules and I think her 
> >> wishes should be respected.
>
> >> If you write to me off list, I will point you to some.
>
> >> Kawal.
>
> >> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:58 PM, f10r14n <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> Hello,
>
> >>> I am not aware of any such resources , either in English or in Dutch,
> >>> which cover the topics previously described.
> >>> Indeed, I want this information to be accessible, free of charge,
> >>> without any hastle, to anyone who needs it . And I want people to be
> >>> able to contribute with whatever they think will benefit others
> >>> without any problems.
> >>> Please, point me to some of the resources you mentioned.
>
> >>> Florian
>
> >>> On 3 jan, 12:42, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> But there loads of local resources covering these types of things unless 
> >>>> this is for those throughout the world?  Not against this but may be you 
> >>>> will duplicate local sources of information.
>
> >>>> Kawal.
>
> >>>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:08 PM, Angela Delicata <[email protected]> 
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> very good idea.
> >>>>> I'm with you and I'd like to see the site on line soon.
>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Angela from Italy.
>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> "La verità si ritrova sempre nella semplicità, mai nella confusione". 
> >>>>> (Isaac
> >>>>> Asimov).
>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: [email protected]
> >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of f10r14n
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:04 PM
> >>>>> To: MacVisionaries
> >>>>> Subject: completely OT: new independence community website planned
>
> >>>>> Hello,
>
> >>>>> This has nothing at all to do with the mac, voiceOver, iOS or anything
> >>>>> similar. If this in any way displeases you, please stop reading now.
> >>>>> Still here? Nice. I would like to ask for your opinions on an idea I 
> >>>>> came up
> >>>>> with yesterday. Those who follow me on twitter, @zersiax is my handle, 
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> have already seen this.
> >>>>> Yesterday I was browsing the well-known applevis website and I had an 
> >>>>> idea.
> >>>>> We are cataloging apps and their accessibility, workarounds for common
> >>>>> problems ...why can't we do this for real-life non-digital problems?
> >>>>> A lot of visually impaired people don't have the luxury of specialized
> >>>>> training programs to be able to live independently. Others might not 
> >>>>> want
> >>>>> to, but miss the resources they need to learn on their own.
> >>>>> Why not create a website like Applevis, but with tasks and how to 
> >>>>> complete
> >>>>> them? Like cleaning, making coffee, cooking, sorting laundry, picking 
> >>>>> out
> >>>>> clothes?
> >>>>> I think together we can build a resource that will be invaluable to a 
> >>>>> large
> >>>>> number of people.
> >>>>> I will set up the website, do all the technical stuff. But I will need a
> >>>>> community behind me. I will need people to submit content. I will need
> >>>>> people to make the site grow and reach it's full potential.
> >>>>> Who's with me?
>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Florian
>
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