Hi, That makes no sense to me. How could this apply to all machines when, my 2008 Mac mini worked just fine without a monitor and every PC I've ever used?
Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple > realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover > issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac user, > the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and mouse to > continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic board and > firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't find one, it > will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't determine > resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc hence voiceover > behaviour. > > to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to > support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. > until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or > mini display port to DVI or VGA config. > > lew > > On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature >> of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is definitely >> the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, I think you >> would get much better performance. If you don't want a monitor, a macbook >> air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. Its just a fact of >> life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. You need to have a >> monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This has been the case for >> years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything about it anytime soon. I do >> think when you shared your experiences with your Mac earlier in the thread >> you should have specified you were using a Mac mini with no monitor. I >> think not doing so was a little miss leading. >> >> JMO. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> [email protected] >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a >>> screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows >>> things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate >>> comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was >>> due to its lack of a monitor... >>> >>> On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> lol, >>>> >>>> I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just as >>>> fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a >>>> screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to >>>> open on windows sometimes? smh. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> [email protected] >>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in >>>>> parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over >>>>> and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as >>>>> well to the Mac Mini. >>>>> >>>>> I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more >>>>> sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses >>>>> buying online, word processing, and web development >>>>> >>>>> But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally >>>>> frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times >>>>> every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer >>>>> works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally >>>>> fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, "Missy Hoppe" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently >>>>>> become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is >>>>>> comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get >>>>>> comfortable with any of the word processing options, >>>>>> and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going to >>>>>> be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of >>>>>> my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing >>>>>> games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client >>>>>> works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for a >>>>>> truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is >>>>>> accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak >>>>>> automatically. >>>>>> My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for >>>>>> several years now. I just can't get comfortable >>>>>> working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad on >>>>>> the PC. >>>>>> Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things >>>>>> that either don't work or I don't want to mess with >>>>>> on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things that >>>>>> I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the >>>>>> mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's definitely >>>>>> something I'll give Apple credit for; you can >>>>>> install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with >>>>>> carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to >>>>>> restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic >>>>>> happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is >>>>>> Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: >>>>>> changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC >>>>>> can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is >>>>>> really awesome in that respect. >>>>>> With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot >>>>>> more than I did when I first bought it, to be >>>>>> perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets the >>>>>> purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or >>>>>> VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. >>>>>> I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your >>>>>> decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print >>>>>> side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using >>>>>> Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I >>>>>> hope this helps you out at least a little. >>>>>> Missy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC >>>>>> >>>>>> I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and >>>>>> VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the >>>>>> decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish compared >>>>>> to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on >>>>>> the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio >>>>>> gaming, and not so much as a good, accessible version of >>>>>> Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or other >>>>>> intensively audio games. >>>>>> I am still willing to admit that a good, long skype session with someone >>>>>> who is an experienced Mac user may help me, but as >>>>>> of right now I almost never boot into Mac, using the Windows half of my >>>>>> dual-booting mini almost exclusively. If you do >>>>>> switch, make sure to either set up bootcamp or a virtual machine so you >>>>>> can run Windows, because I can pretty much promise >>>>>> that you will still be using Windows for a while after you start playing >>>>>> with the mac. Sorry to be so negative, but that's my >>>>>> experience so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/3/12, Red.Falcon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Chuck! >>>>>>> Although I do not use windows and never have! >>>>>>> I have seen posts about the zoom and one thing the Mac cannot do is >>>>>>> change colours! >>>>>>> So its black on white or vice vursor! >>>>>>> hth Colin >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 00:05, Chuck wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>> I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. >>>>>>>> I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. >>>>>>>> I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my >>>>>>>> magnification and reading software. >>>>>>>> I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. >>>>>>>> What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? >>>>>>>> In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? >>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>> [email protected];http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>> [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Mr. L. 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