I didn't have to trick my 2008 mini at all. I had nothing plugged in. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org
On Jan 4, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > As has been posted in the past, some older minis could be tricked into > thinking there was a monitor just by plugging in the DVI to VGA adapter > cable. Newer minis are now 'smarter' and won't be fooled by this. Since the > whole OS/hardware architecture assumes there will always be a display hooked > up, the lack of one causes stuff to fail or turn to sludge in weird and > seemingly random ways. To get things working normally you must connect either > a real display or use the hackery I previously posted with a VGA to NTSC > converter box added to the chain. The converter box makes the mini think > there is a display but is usually cheaper/smaller than a real screen. > > CB > > On 1/4/12 9:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> Hi, >> >> That makes no sense to me. How could this apply to all machines when, my >> 2008 Mac mini worked just fine without a monitor and every PC I've ever used? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter& Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: >> >>> After some discussion betwen myself and a few other engineers in the apple >>> realm, the issue regarding the use of the monitor isn't just a voiceover >>> issue. it is the same for the entire system. Whether you're a PC or mac >>> user, the system at start has to detect a working display, keyboard and >>> mouse to continue running. in the case of the mac mini, at boot, the logic >>> board and firmware check the display ports for a display, if it doesn't >>> find one, it will continue but cause issues throughout the OS as it can't >>> determine resolution settings for the OS to display what it needs, etc >>> hence voiceover behaviour. >>> >>> to do this, first off apple will need to write a new firmware revision to >>> support this option, then fine tune support in voiceover to support this. >>> until then, the best option is a cheap flat panel LCD monitor with a DVI or >>> mini display port to DVI or VGA config. >>> >>> lew >>> >>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 14:10, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> all screen readers, on any machine slows things down. Its just the nature >>>> of the beast. As far as your mini goes, the lack of a monitor is >>>> definitely the cause of most of your sorrows. If you hooked up a monitor, >>>> I think you would get much better performance. If you don't want a >>>> monitor, a macbook air might have been a better fit for you than a mini. >>>> Its just a fact of life for the Mac Mini and voiceover users at this time. >>>> You need to have a monitor hooked up to have a stable experience. This >>>> has been the case for years now, and I don't see Apple doing anything >>>> about it anytime soon. I do think when you shared your experiences with >>>> your Mac earlier in the thread you should have specified you were using a >>>> Mac mini with no monitor. I think not doing so was a little miss leading. >>>> >>>> JMO. >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>> Twitter& Skype: rwalker296 >>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find it interesting that you specify that Macs are faster when a >>>>> screen reader is not involved. Do you mean that you find vo slows >>>>> things down, or just that screen readers make for inaccurate >>>>> comparisons? I always figured the extreme sluggishness of my mini was >>>>> due to its lack of a monitor... >>>>> >>>>> On 1/3/12, Ricardo Walker<rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> lol, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think your sighted friend is on drugs. :). I find the Mac to be just >>>>>> as >>>>>> fas and more often than not faster when doing tasks than windows when a >>>>>> screen reader is not involved. Man, You know how long it takes iTunes to >>>>>> open on windows sometimes? smh. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>> Twitter& Skype: rwalker296 >>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Chuck wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini in >>>>>>> parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice over >>>>>>> and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they translate as >>>>>>> well to the Mac Mini. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more >>>>>>> sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses >>>>>>> buying online, word processing, and web development >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But having dealt with Zoom text for the last 15 years, I am totally >>>>>>> frustrated with the program. I have to reboot it about five times >>>>>>> every day in order to get the text smooting to work. And it no longer >>>>>>> works with Internet Explorer nine. I'm sure that when they do finally >>>>>>> fix it, they'll want another $150 for the update. >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 3, 6:22 pm, "Missy Hoppe"<melis...@fuse.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> Very well said. I've had my mac since may, and although I've recently >>>>>>>> become far more fond of Itunes than my bank account is >>>>>>>> comfortable with, I just don't use it for daily tasks. I just can't get >>>>>>>> comfortable with any of the word processing options, >>>>>>>> and since I've been using a PC for close to 25 years, I'm always going >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be more comfortable on a windows platform. One of >>>>>>>> my favorite activities, especially while I'm unemployed, is playing >>>>>>>> games, and while I'm thrilled that the RS games client >>>>>>>> works on the mac, there aren't any other options. I'm still hoping for >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> truly accessible mud client; if atlantis is >>>>>>>> accessible, I sure haven't figured out how to make it speak >>>>>>>> automatically. >>>>>>>> My other major task is writing/editing a story I've been working on for >>>>>>>> several years now. I just can't get comfortable >>>>>>>> working on my files using the mac, so just keep using good old wordpad >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the PC. >>>>>>>> Since it cost me so much money, I have chosen to use the mac for things >>>>>>>> that either don't work or I don't want to mess with >>>>>>>> on my PC: adium, skype, itunes, and a couple of other similar things >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> I can't remember at the moment. I figure that the >>>>>>>> mac is a lot easier to fix if something goes wrong, and that's >>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>> something I'll give Apple credit for; you can >>>>>>>> install the operating system without any sighted assistance, and with >>>>>>>> carbon copy cloner and time machine, it's easy to >>>>>>>> restore your machine on the off chance that something catastrophic >>>>>>>> happens. Another thing that I really love about the mac is >>>>>>>> Growl. It essensially reads things that happen in the system tray: >>>>>>>> changes in dropbox files for example. That's 1 thing my PC >>>>>>>> can't do, or if it can, I don't know how to set it up, so the mac is >>>>>>>> really awesome in that respect. >>>>>>>> With all that being said, however, while I certainly like my mac a lot >>>>>>>> more than I did when I first bought it, to be >>>>>>>> perfectly honest, there's still a rather big part of me that regrets >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> purchase. I eventually hope to get bootcamp and/or >>>>>>>> VM fusion up and running, but so far, that just hasn't happened. >>>>>>>> I hope this makes at least a little sense and that it helps you in your >>>>>>>> decision. Sadly, I can't comment on the large print >>>>>>>> side of things, but I've become moderately comfortable with using >>>>>>>> Voiceover. Good luck in whatever decision you make, and I >>>>>>>> hope this helps you out at least a little. >>>>>>>> Missy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:01 PM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got a Mini after hearing nothing but great things about the Mac and >>>>>>>> VoiceOver. I can honestly say that I regret the >>>>>>>> decision. I never understood editing, my system seemed sluggish >>>>>>>> compared >>>>>>>> to NVDA with Windows, and web browsing is slow on >>>>>>>> the Mac when using vo. Also, a lot of what I do on the pc is audio >>>>>>>> gaming, and not so much as a good, accessible version of >>>>>>>> Solitaire is available on the Mac, let alone shooting, strategy, or >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> intensively audio games. >>>>>>>> I am still willing to admit that a good, long skype session with >>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>> who is an experienced Mac user may help me, but as >>>>>>>> of right now I almost never boot into Mac, using the Windows half of my >>>>>>>> dual-booting mini almost exclusively. If you do >>>>>>>> switch, make sure to either set up bootcamp or a virtual machine so you >>>>>>>> can run Windows, because I can pretty much promise >>>>>>>> that you will still be using Windows for a while after you start >>>>>>>> playing >>>>>>>> with the mac. Sorry to be so negative, but that's my >>>>>>>> experience so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/3/12, Red.Falcon<velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Chuck! >>>>>>>>> Although I do not use windows and never have! >>>>>>>>> I have seen posts about the zoom and one thing the Mac cannot do is >>>>>>>>> change colours! >>>>>>>>> So its black on white or vice vursor! >>>>>>>>> hth Colin >>>>>>>>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 00:05, Chuck wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>> I'm seriously considering switching to a Mac Mini from PC. >>>>>>>>>> I intend to use both the zoom and voice over programs. >>>>>>>>>> I am currently using a PC with Windows 7 and zoom text as my >>>>>>>>>> magnification and reading software. >>>>>>>>>> I would like to hear from those of you who have made the switch. >>>>>>>>>> What pitfalls should I look for? Are there any trade-offs? >>>>>>>>>> In your opinion after making the switch which is the better system? >>>>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com;http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>>>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> Mr. L. 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