Hi Gigi,

I don't know how to get range information from the map display that shows up 
when you choose range. If you double tap the "Birdipedia" button at the bottom 
the screen for the detailed entry on a specific bird, there's a Wikipedia type 
description page that includes a verbal description of range.  It appears after 
a long list of links for the conservation status, scientific classification, 
and the binomial name.  There's probably an optimal way to navigate to the star 
of the verbal description.

Also, another important piece of information is that the detailed page for each 
bird contains more buttons at the bottom of the screen that you can access with 
a three finger scroll to the right to reach the second page of buttons.  This 
information was posted at the AppleVis site in an app review of iBird United 
Kingdom and Ireland.  I'm going to cc: this post to the viphone list, since 
there was a question just earlier about setting up a site for tutorials on how 
to use apps.  On the macvisionaries list I'd use the Mail Archive search 
function to locate these posts, but Mail Archive functions for the viphone list 
only got turned on in mid-April, so it's only searchable for content back to 
then.  And I didn't cc: my earlier post (listed below your post) on searching 
in iBird to that list.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 10, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Thanks Esther. It looks like on the pro version that when you choose range, 
> there's a map there. I'll have to ask my sighted husband about that, although 
> he showed interest in looking at the birds when I asked him. However, I'm 
> going to Apple Corps of Dallas on Saturday, and I can get oi them to check it 
> out. 
> 
> I now have a couple of apps I need to play with some more. I will save your 
> post. 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gigi and Christine,
>> 
>> There's an extensive set of help instructions under the "help" button, but 
>> I'll try to summarize. The search button (second button of five on the 
>> bottom of the screen) brings you to a screen with different search 
>> categories as well as a search field where you can type in criteria. As you 
>> add criteria and move back to the search page, you're told how many birds 
>> match your criteria, and then you can either continue to set search criteria 
>> until you double tap the "View" button in the top right corner, or decide to 
>> start an entirely new search by double tapping the "Reset" button in the top 
>> left corner.
>> 
>> Here's an example.  Double tap the "search" button. The search categories 
>> are grouped under headings "Basic Group", "Song", "Body Related", "Flight 
>> Related", "Pattern Related", "Head Related", and "Miscellaneous".  So let's 
>> say I wanted to search for birds that are observed in Texas during May, 
>> according to a particular song pattern.  Under the "Basic Group" heading 
>> there's an option for "Observed State/Month". Double tap this, and on the 
>> State/Month page, first set the state to "Texas" using the picker item on 
>> the top half of the screen.  Then flick down to select the month of "May" by 
>> double tapping to check this box.  Once you set this combination, the 
>> heading at the top of the screen will change to "State/Month" (424).  The 
>> button at the top right is "Clear All" to reset your choices on this screen, 
>> and at the top left is "Search, back button" to return to the main search 
>> screen, which will now announce "424 birds matched" for the heading at the 
>> top of the page. For this page, the "Reset" button is at the top left, and 
>> the "View" button is at the top right.  
>> 
>> Now, let's add a search by "Song Pattern", which is one of the two 
>> categories under the "Song" heading search category on the main search page. 
>>  The options are "Falling", "Flat", "Rising", and "Sing-song".  Each time 
>> you double tap a category, you'll get examples of this pattern as well as 
>> checking the button, which you can uncheck either by double tapping the 
>> category again, or by flicking to the button and double tapping. Each 
>> specific search screen lets you clear all search criteria with a "Clear All" 
>> button in the top right, and return to the main search screen with a 
>> "Search, back button" in the top left. In addition, once you return to the 
>> search field, the number of matched birds in the heading at the top of the 
>> page gets changed, and the entry under the search category gets amended.  
>> (For the "Observed State/Month" category this is only the number of birds, 
>> since you could have selected multiple months).  So let's say I choose 
>> "Sing-song" for the song pattern and return to the search page.  There are 
>> still 95 birds.  I select "Song" under the "Song" heading search category, 
>> and double tap "Quack-quacking". (I'm not going to list the song types on 
>> this screen -- this is a really long list). Again, this demonstrates the 
>> song and also checks the button, and if I want to uncheck it I flick right 
>> and double tap or just double tap the category again.  As before, I can use 
>> the "Clear All" button at the top right or the "Search, back button" at the 
>> top left to return to the main search screen.  You can check multiple 
>> categories, before returning to the main search screen, but I'll just choose 
>> one.  I now have 4 birds matched that are observed in Texas in May, with a 
>> "Quack-Quacking" song and a "Sing-song" song pattern.  Each of these 
>> selections is noted as I flick through the relevant search categories.
>> 
>> To view the matched selections, double tap the "View" button at the top 
>> right.  I get entries for "Gray Catbird", "Northern Mockingbird", "Northern 
>> Shoveler", and "Reddish Egret", with brief descriptions.  To actually play 
>> the song and get detailed information, double tap on a selection, then 
>> double tap the "Speaker small" button in the bottom left corner.  There are 
>> multiple sample tracks for this bird, and also a list of similar sounding 
>> bird calls.
>> 
>> If you want to just type in a search entry to add in the search field on the 
>> main search page, just double tap the "Search" button in the bottom right 
>> corner of the virtual keyboard to add it.  The problem is knowing what 
>> categories to use.  If I type in "red", the matched entries go down to 1 
>> bird (the "Reddish Egret".  To remove my typed search keyword I have to 
>> flick to the "clear text" button in the search box and double tap to remove 
>> it.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.  I learned on one of the free, lite versions for iBird that 
>> had many fewer entries!  I don't know how to get the range description if it 
>> isn't in the detailed description.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On May 10, 2012, at 5:41 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> I found the place, but I couldn't figure out how to complete the search. 
>>> One of the tabs oo there is search at the bottom of the iPhone screen. Then 
>>> not the lefthand side of the screen is the various things you can search 
>>> by, at least it's the lefthand side as best I remember. I found the options 
>>> like melodious, and other descriptive words for the songs. I couldn't find 
>>> the Go to do the search. 
>>> 
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> [email protected]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have a question as well.  The information for the app stated you could 
>>>> search by bird sound -- but this implies there is a place in the app where 
>>>> one can browse bird sounds.  I cannot find such a place. Any help is 
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> Christine
>>>>  
>>>> On May 10, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi guys. 
>>>>> After Esther put the information on about iBird, i got it and am having a 
>>>>> lot of fun with it. Here's my question, though, if anybody knows. If you 
>>>>> want to do a search for birds in Texas and Louisiana, how do you do it? I 
>>>>> got the check boxes checked for both states, but I couldn't find the 
>>>>> button or whatever to tell it to list them. I did browse the list of all 
>>>>> 900 or so, but how, with VoiceOver on, that is, do you get just those in 
>>>>> Texas and Louisiana?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other thing is, can you get the range of the birds listed in words 
>>>>> and not a map? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>> Gigi 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eugenia Firth
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 

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