Hi, I sure have. some company out of Florida I believe were making them. It is straight up, no doubt about it, illegal to run Mac OS on non branded Apple hardware. Sure, I don't think Apple is dragging down people who are doing this as a 1 off. But honestly, money aside for a second, I think running the Mac OS on some generic PC lessons the Mac experience, and you also miss out on certain things. For example, I'm assuming you can't take advantage of a multi gesture trackpad to use in conjunction with Voiceovers, trackpad commander?
Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote: > I never heard of any businesses being sued, much less even being in business. > I run a hackintosh here (intel core solo, 2.66 Ghz cpu, 8 GB ram, ASUS > IL9-Pro motherboard, 1.5 TB HDD storage, DVD-r/+r burner/rewriter and some > extras. > > it runs reasonably well, except that I cannot update it to 10.6.8 without > some help (the proceedure is tricky as I also have to install a USB rollback > driver). > > cost of this machine: $400. > > still, I cannot see spending nearly $8,000 for a top of the line machine > (that is almost as expensive as a 80 column braille display.). > > -eric > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Of course installing OSX on one of these violates the terms of the license >> and every company that ever tried to make a business out of selling >> hackintoshes has been sued into oblivion. Interesting from the technical >> standpoint but be aware of what you're getting into. >> >> CB >> On 6/18/12 8:41 PM, Blinkin wrote: >>>>> All, >>> For those who may be thinking about getting a new Mac read below. Pretty >>> good stuff. >>>>> From: Lifehacker <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Build the Mac Pro That You Wish Apple Released >>>>> Date: June 18, 2012 5:04:07 PM CDT >>>>> Reply-To: Lifehacker <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> June 18th, 2012Top Story >>>>> Build the Mac Pro That You Wish Apple Released >>>>> >>>>> • >>>>> • >>>>> • >>>>> • >>>>> • >>>>> By Adam Dachis >>>>> Last week Apple updated their Mac Pros to cutting-edge processors from >>>>> 2010, even older graphics cards, and all the USB 2.0 ports you'll ever >>>>> need. With a proper update unlikely until 2013, we thought we'd bridge >>>>> the gap with Hackintoshes—the faster, cheaper Mac desktops you can build >>>>> yourself with standard PC hardware. By making your own "Hack Pro" you'll >>>>> get the up-to-date machine Apple won't provide, and you'll also save a >>>>> lot of money in the process. >>>>> >>>>> The Mac Pro update everyone was hoping for was supposed to include >>>>> Intel's latest Ivy Bridge processors, which were designed to be smaller, >>>>> more powerful, and more power-efficient. With a desktop computer like the >>>>> Mac Pro, power usage is still a fairly significant concern because a lack >>>>> of efficiency can make for a pricier power bill. Additionally, with >>>>> the immediately out-of-date Mac Pro starting at >>>>> $2,499, you're already overpaying for a machine that's slower than the >>>>> one you can build yourself. In this post, we're going to look at three >>>>> mackintoshes you can create yourself, how they stack up against a >>>>> comparable Mac Pro, and how much you'll save in the process. >>>>> >>>>> The Builds >>>>> >>>>> Ivy Bridge Hackintoshes are pretty new, and it wasn't until last week >>>>> that OS X even supported the new processors officially. The builds we're >>>>> looking at in this section are based on the work of people in the >>>>> hackintosh community who've already taken the plunge. Where applicable, >>>>> we'll mention the sources we used so you can dig deeper and learn more >>>>> before getting started. >>>>> >>>>> Fast: The Entry-Level Desktops >>>>> >>>>> First let's start off with the entry-level machine. We're going to look >>>>> at what Apple offers, what a hackintosh can offer, and how they compare >>>>> in price and performance. >>>>> >>>>> Apple's Entry-Level Mac Pro; Total Price: $2,499 >>>>> >>>>> Here's what you get for that cool $2,499: >>>>> >>>>> • One 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor >>>>> • 6GB of RAM (3x2GB) >>>>> • 1TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive >>>>> • 18x SuperDrive >>>>> • ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5 >>>>> • Mouse and Keyboard >>>>> Our Entry-Level Hack Pro; Total Price: $1,148 >>>>> Here's an entry-level Hack Pro you can build for $1,148, which is less >>>>> than half the cost of what Apple will give you: >>>>> >>>>> • Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 Case ($90) >>>>> • Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H Motherboard ($99) >>>>> • Intel Core i7 3770 3.4 GHz CPU ($317) >>>>> • MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (448 Cores) PCI-E 16X Graphics Card >>>>> ($300) >>>>> • 8GB Corsair DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, 2x4GB ($50) >>>>> • 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM Hard Drive ($100) >>>>> • Corsair Professional Series 650W Modular Power Supply ($117) >>>>> • Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal Drive ($17) >>>>> • SYBA FireWire 400/800 Card ($28) >>>>> • Mac OS X Lion Download ($30) or Thumb Drive ($69) >>>>> So, what's the difference? >>>>> The Hack Pro is $1,351 cheaper. Of course, you get a nice Bluetooth >>>>> keyboard and mouse with the Mac Pro, but you can always throw in aUSB >>>>> Bluetooth adapter and whatever keyboard and mouse you want with all the >>>>> money you'll be saving. >>>>> >>>>> In terms of performance, the Mac Pro and Hack Pro are pretty evenly >>>>> matched when it comes to the lesser-components (with the Hack Pro keeping >>>>> a slight edge). This build even includes a FireWire 400/800 card so you >>>>> have your standard Mac ports. Additionally, the motherboard supports USB >>>>> 3.0 so you can have even faster data transfers than the current Mac Pro. >>>>> The primary differences between Apple's entry-level Mac Pro and this >>>>> build are between the CPU and graphics card. The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 >>>>> Ti in our build offers significantly better performance, so if your needs >>>>> are GPU-intensive you're in much better shape with the Hack Pro. When it >>>>> comes to the CPU, Apple's Mac Pro offers a 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon >>>>> processor to our 3.4 GHz Core i7. While the Xeon is a higher grade than >>>>> the Core i7, the one Apple's using is kind of old and just not as fast. >>>>> In fact CPU benchmarks tested both and the Core i7 came in at 10,455 and >>>>> the Xeon at 6,070 (higher numbers are better). While benchmarks aren't >>>>> everything, that's a pretty large performance gap between Apple's latest >>>>> offering and a machine you can build for half the price. >>>>> >>>>> The bottom line: The Hack Pro is faster than the Mac Pro in every >>>>> category and it costs less than half what you'd pay Apple. >>>>> >>>>> Faster: The Mid-Range Workstations >>>>> >>>>> Next we've got the mid-range machine. On Apple's side this means almost a >>>>> $1,000 price hike. For the Hack Pro it's a difference of only around $100. >>>>> >>>>> Apple's Mid-Range Mac Pro; Price: $3,424 >>>>> Here's what you get for your $3,424: >>>>> >>>>> • One 3.33 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor >>>>> • 8GB of RAM (4x2GB) >>>>> • 2TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive >>>>> • 18x SuperDrive >>>>> • ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB GDDR5 >>>>> • Mouse and Keyboard >>>>> Our Mid-Range Hack Pro; Price: $1,276 >>>>> Here's an mid-range Hack Pro you can build for $1,276, or a little more >>>>> than one-third of the cost of a similar Mac Pro: >>>>> >>>>> • Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 Case ($90) >>>>> • Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H Motherboard ($99) >>>>> • Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5 GHz CPU ($350) >>>>> • MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (448 Cores) PCI-E 16X Graphics Card >>>>> ($300) >>>>> • 8GB Corsair DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, 2x4GB ($50) >>>>> • 2TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM Hard Drive ($195) >>>>> • Corsair Professional Series 650W Modular Power Supply ($117) >>>>> • Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal Drive ($17) >>>>> • SYBA FireWire 400/800 Card ($28) >>>>> • Mac OS X Lion Download ($30) or Thumb Drive ($69) >>>>> So, what's the difference? >>>>> The Hack Pro is $2,148 cheaper and bears the same advantages over the Mac >>>>> Pro as our entry-level comparisonwith one exception: while there are >>>>> compatible motherboards for the 6-core Ivy Bridge processors, they aren't >>>>> as widely used just yet and require a few more difficult steps than we >>>>> want to throw at you. As a result, we opted to stick with a slightly >>>>> faster but nonetheless quad-core processor. This means that Apple's Mac >>>>> Pro has two additional processor cores. There shouldn't be much of a >>>>> real-world advantage here, but that's what you're sacrificing. If you're >>>>> okay with having a much faster, much cheaper machine with two less cores >>>>> then the Hack Pro is the way to go. >>>>> >>>>> Fastest: The High-End Powerhouses >>>>> >>>>> If you want one of the fastest Hack or Mac Pros you can get, here are >>>>> your options. We decided to go all out, so you'll want a fairly fat >>>>> wallet in either case. >>>>> >>>>> Apple's High-End Mac Pro; Price: $7,699 >>>>> Here's what you get for your $7,699: >>>>> >>>>> • Two 3.06 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon (for 12 total cores) >>>>> • 16GB of RAM (8x2GB) >>>>> • 2TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive >>>>> • 512GB Solid State Drive >>>>> • 18x SuperDrive >>>>> • ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB GDDR5 >>>>> • Mouse and Keyboard >>>>> Our Mid-Range Hack Pro; Price: $2,012 >>>>> Here's a high-end Hack Pro you can build for $2,012, or slightly more >>>>> than a quarter of the cost of the comparable Mac Pro: >>>>> >>>>> • Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 Case ($90) >>>>> • Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H Motherboard ($190) >>>>> • Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5 GHz CPU ($350) >>>>> • MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (448 Cores) PCI-E 16X Graphics Card >>>>> ($300) >>>>> • 16GB Corsair DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, 4x4GB ($95) >>>>> • 2TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM Hard Drive ($195) >>>>> • OCZ Vertex 4 512GB Solid State Drive ($600) >>>>> • Corsair Professional Series 650W Modular Power Supply ($117) >>>>> • Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal Drive ($17) >>>>> • SYBA FireWire 400/800 Card ($28) >>>>> • Mac OS X Lion Download ($30) or Thumb Drive ($69) >>>>> So, what's the difference? >>>>> The obvious advantage the Mac Pro has over the Hack Pro is that it has >>>>> three times the number of cores. That said, you'd be paying almost four >>>>> times as much for just that. With a difference of $5,657, you could add >>>>> another nine 512GB SSDs to this Hack Pro build and still have money left >>>>> over. (Technically you'd run out of SATA connections for the drives, so >>>>> don't actually do this.) So do the twelve cores matter? Only if you have >>>>> applications that can actually take advantage of them. If not, you'll be >>>>> wasting a lot of money and power. While this Mac Pro might be able to >>>>> best its Hackintosh counterpart in some situations, we don't think that's >>>>> worth the cost. We still say stick with the Hack Pro, unless you really >>>>> need 12 cores. >>>>> >>>>> At this point it's worth noting that the Hack Pro builds haven't changed >>>>> much throughout the comparison. The graphics card was always faster, so >>>>> it wasn't necessary to find a faster one. The CPU can hold its own >>>>> against old Xeon processors so that wasn't much of an issue, either. When >>>>> it came to the high-end build, we intended to offer a 240GB SSDinstead of >>>>> the 512GB option, but Apple only allows you to add 512GB SSDs to your Mac >>>>> Pro. If you don't need a gigantic solid state drive, you can save >>>>> yourself about $400 by cutting the space in half. >>>>> >>>>> It all comes down to this: when you start upgrading a Mac Pro, you spend >>>>> a lot of money in the process. When you upgrade a Hack Pro, you don't. >>>>> You also get a wider selection of what you can use in the machine. The >>>>> entry-level model we put together is >>>>> really fast, and barely over $1,000. It's still fast enough to rival the >>>>> high-end Mac Pro. Until Apple figures out how to handle its professional >>>>> machines, hackintoshes are going to be the way to go for desktop >>>>> builds—especially on the higher end of things. >>>>> >>>>> Additional Hardware Resources >>>>> >>>>> These Hack Pro builds were put together thanks to a great (but slightly >>>>> outdated) build guide by tonymacx86. They were updated for Ivy Bridge by >>>>> reading posts in the build section of the tonymacx86 forums (like this >>>>> one and this one). Be sure to check out those resources if you want to >>>>> learn more about these builds or swap out any of the parts we chose. >>>>> >>>>> The Hackintosh Process >>>>> >>>>> Buying a bunch of parts is the starting point, but you still have to >>>>> actually build your hackintosh. Fortunately, we've got you covered in all >>>>> aspects. Here are a few resources we've put together to take you through >>>>> the entire process—even if you run into problems: >>>>> >>>>> • How to Build a Computer from Scratch - Read this if you need help >>>>> building the actual computer. >>>>> • The Always Up-to-Date Guide to Building a Hackintosh - Read this for >>>>> information on how to install OS X on your custom hardware. >>>>> • BridgeHelper - This is a utility you'll want to read about and >>>>> download, as it'll give you native Ivy Bridge support. >>>>> • Learn About All the Special Files That Help Your Hackintosh Run - >>>>> Once you're up and running, it's good >>>>> to know what's making that possible. Here's a quick overview of all the >>>>> special files that make your Hackintosh do its thing. >>>>> • Install Mountain Lion on Your Hackintosh - Mountain Lion isn't out >>>>> yet, but here's how you can install it if you can't wait. >>>>> • Best Practices When Dual-Booting a Hackintosh - Want to run Linux >>>>> and/or Windows, too? Here are the best practices to follow. >>>>> • How to Troubleshoot a Hackintosh - If something goes wrong, consult >>>>> this guide for tips on how to fix it. >>>>> That should be everything you need to know. 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