if it is supported in the OS and the interface device uses USB, then it should work. I use an apple branded keyboard here (2 USB ports on it and an apple mouse) and they work as good as on a real apple.
-eric On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, I sure have. some company out of Florida I believe were making them. > It is straight up, no doubt about it, illegal to run Mac OS on non branded > Apple hardware. Sure, I don't think Apple is dragging down people who are > doing this as a 1 off. But honestly, money aside for a second, I think > running the Mac OS on some generic PC lessons the Mac experience, and you > also miss out on certain things. For example, I'm assuming you can't take > advantage of a multi gesture trackpad to use in conjunction with Voiceovers, > trackpad commander? > > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I never heard of any businesses being sued, much less even being in >> business. I run a hackintosh here (intel core solo, 2.66 Ghz cpu, 8 GB ram, >> ASUS IL9-Pro motherboard, 1.5 TB HDD storage, DVD-r/+r burner/rewriter and >> some extras. >> >> it runs reasonably well, except that I cannot update it to 10.6.8 without >> some help (the proceedure is tricky as I also have to install a USB rollback >> driver). >> >> cost of this machine: $400. >> >> still, I cannot see spending nearly $8,000 for a top of the line machine >> (that is almost as expensive as a 80 column braille display.). >> >> -eric >> >> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> Of course installing OSX on one of these violates the terms of the license >>> and every company that ever tried to make a business out of selling >>> hackintoshes has been sued into oblivion. Interesting from the technical >>> standpoint but be aware of what you're getting into. >>> >>> CB >>> On 6/18/12 8:41 PM, Blinkin wrote: >>>>>> All, >>>> For those who may be thinking about getting a new Mac read below. Pretty >>>> good stuff. >>>>>> From: Lifehacker <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Build the Mac Pro That You Wish Apple Released >>>>>> Date: June 18, 2012 5:04:07 PM CDT >>>>>> Reply-To: Lifehacker <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> June 18th, 2012Top Story >>>>>> Build the Mac Pro That You Wish Apple Released >>>>>> >>>>>> • >>>>>> • >>>>>> • >>>>>> • >>>>>> • >>>>>> By Adam Dachis >>>>>> Last week Apple updated their Mac Pros to cutting-edge processors from >>>>>> 2010, even older graphics cards, and all the USB 2.0 ports you'll ever >>>>>> need. With a proper update unlikely until 2013, we thought we'd bridge >>>>>> the gap with Hackintoshes—the faster, cheaper Mac desktops you can build >>>>>> yourself with standard PC hardware. By making your own "Hack Pro" you'll >>>>>> get the up-to-date machine Apple won't provide, and you'll also save a >>>>>> lot of money in the process. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac Pro update everyone was hoping for was supposed to include >>>>>> Intel's latest Ivy Bridge processors, which were designed to be smaller, >>>>>> more powerful, and more power-efficient. With a desktop computer like >>>>>> the Mac Pro, power usage is still a fairly significant concern because a >>>>>> lack of efficiency can make for a pricier power bill. Additionally, with >>>>>> the immediately out-of-date Mac Pro >>>>>> starting at $2,499, you're already overpaying for a machine that's >>>>>> slower than the one you can build yourself. In this post, we're going to >>>>>> look at three mackintoshes you can create yourself, how they stack up >>>>>> against a comparable Mac Pro, and how much you'll save in the process. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Builds >>>>>> >>>>>> Ivy Bridge Hackintoshes are pretty new, and it wasn't until last week >>>>>> that OS X even supported the new processors officially. The builds we're >>>>>> looking at in this section are based on the work of people in the >>>>>> hackintosh community who've already taken the plunge. Where applicable, >>>>>> we'll mention the sources we used so you can dig deeper and learn more >>>>>> before getting started. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fast: The Entry-Level Desktops >>>>>> >>>>>> First let's start off with the entry-level machine. We're going to look >>>>>> at what Apple offers, what a hackintosh can offer, and how they compare >>>>>> in price and performance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple's Entry-Level Mac Pro; Total Price: $2,499 >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's what you get for that cool $2,499: >>>>>> >>>>>> • One 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor >>>>>> • 6GB of RAM (3x2GB) >>>>>> • 1TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive >>>>>> • 18x SuperDrive >>>>>> • ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5 >>>>>> • Mouse and Keyboard >>>>>> Our Entry-Level Hack Pro; Total Price: $1,148 >>>>>> Here's an entry-level Hack Pro you can build for $1,148, which is less >>>>>> than half the cost of what Apple will give you: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 Case ($90) >>>>>> • Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H Motherboard ($99) >>>>>> • Intel Core i7 3770 3.4 GHz CPU ($317) >>>>>> • MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (448 Cores) PCI-E 16X Graphics Card >>>>>> ($300) >>>>>> • 8GB Corsair DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, 2x4GB ($50) >>>>>> • 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM Hard Drive ($100) >>>>>> • Corsair Professional Series 650W Modular Power Supply ($117) >>>>>> • Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal Drive ($17) >>>>>> • SYBA FireWire 400/800 Card ($28) >>>>>> • Mac OS X Lion Download ($30) or Thumb Drive ($69) >>>>>> So, what's the difference? >>>>>> The Hack Pro is $1,351 cheaper. Of course, you get a nice Bluetooth >>>>>> keyboard and mouse with the Mac Pro, but you can always throw in aUSB >>>>>> Bluetooth adapter and whatever keyboard and mouse you want with all the >>>>>> money you'll be saving. >>>>>> >>>>>> In terms of performance, the Mac Pro and Hack Pro are pretty evenly >>>>>> matched when it comes to the lesser-components (with the Hack Pro >>>>>> keeping a slight edge). This build even includes a FireWire 400/800 card >>>>>> so you have your standard Mac ports. Additionally, the motherboard >>>>>> supports USB 3.0 so you can have even faster data transfers than the >>>>>> current Mac Pro. The primary differences between Apple's entry-level Mac >>>>>> Pro and this build are between the CPU and graphics card. The NVIDIA >>>>>> GeForce GTX 560 Ti in our build offers significantly better performance, >>>>>> so if your needs are GPU-intensive you're in much better shape with the >>>>>> Hack Pro. When it comes to the CPU, Apple's Mac Pro offers a 3.2 GHz >>>>>> Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor to our 3.4 GHz Core i7. While the Xeon is >>>>>> a higher grade than the Core i7, the one Apple's using is kind of old >>>>>> and just not as fast. In fact CPU benchmarks tested both and the Core i7 >>>>>> came in at 10,455 and the Xeon at 6,070 (higher numbers are better). >>>>>> While benchmarks aren't everything, that's a pretty large performance >>>>>> gap between Apple's latest offering and a machine you can build for half >>>>>> the price. >>>>>> >>>>>> The bottom line: The Hack Pro is faster than the Mac Pro in every >>>>>> category and it costs less than half what you'd pay Apple. >>>>>> >>>>>> Faster: The Mid-Range Workstations >>>>>> >>>>>> Next we've got the mid-range machine. On Apple's side this means almost >>>>>> a $1,000 price hike. For the Hack Pro it's a difference of only around >>>>>> $100. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple's Mid-Range Mac Pro; Price: $3,424 >>>>>> Here's what you get for your $3,424: >>>>>> >>>>>> • One 3.33 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor >>>>>> • 8GB of RAM (4x2GB) >>>>>> • 2TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive >>>>>> • 18x SuperDrive >>>>>> • ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB GDDR5 >>>>>> • Mouse and Keyboard >>>>>> Our Mid-Range Hack Pro; Price: $1,276 >>>>>> Here's an mid-range Hack Pro you can build for $1,276, or a little more >>>>>> than one-third of the cost of a similar Mac Pro: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 Case ($90) >>>>>> • Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H Motherboard ($99) >>>>>> • Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5 GHz CPU ($350) >>>>>> • MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (448 Cores) PCI-E 16X Graphics Card >>>>>> ($300) >>>>>> • 8GB Corsair DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, 2x4GB ($50) >>>>>> • 2TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM Hard Drive ($195) >>>>>> • Corsair Professional Series 650W Modular Power Supply ($117) >>>>>> • Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal Drive ($17) >>>>>> • SYBA FireWire 400/800 Card ($28) >>>>>> • Mac OS X Lion Download ($30) or Thumb Drive ($69) >>>>>> So, what's the difference? >>>>>> The Hack Pro is $2,148 cheaper and bears the same advantages over the >>>>>> Mac Pro as our entry-level comparisonwith one exception: while there are >>>>>> compatible motherboards for the 6-core Ivy Bridge processors, they >>>>>> aren't as widely used just yet and require a few more difficult steps >>>>>> than we want to throw at you. As a result, we opted to stick with a >>>>>> slightly faster but nonetheless quad-core processor. This means that >>>>>> Apple's Mac Pro has two additional processor cores. There shouldn't be >>>>>> much of a real-world advantage here, but that's what you're sacrificing. >>>>>> If you're okay with having a much faster, much cheaper machine with two >>>>>> less cores then the Hack Pro is the way to go. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fastest: The High-End Powerhouses >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want one of the fastest Hack or Mac Pros you can get, here are >>>>>> your options. We decided to go all out, so you'll want a fairly fat >>>>>> wallet in either case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple's High-End Mac Pro; Price: $7,699 >>>>>> Here's what you get for your $7,699: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Two 3.06 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon (for 12 total cores) >>>>>> • 16GB of RAM (8x2GB) >>>>>> • 2TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive >>>>>> • 512GB Solid State Drive >>>>>> • 18x SuperDrive >>>>>> • ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB GDDR5 >>>>>> • Mouse and Keyboard >>>>>> Our Mid-Range Hack Pro; Price: $2,012 >>>>>> Here's a high-end Hack Pro you can build for $2,012, or slightly more >>>>>> than a quarter of the cost of the comparable Mac Pro: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 Case ($90) >>>>>> • Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H Motherboard ($190) >>>>>> • Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5 GHz CPU ($350) >>>>>> • MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (448 Cores) PCI-E 16X Graphics Card >>>>>> ($300) >>>>>> • 16GB Corsair DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, 4x4GB ($95) >>>>>> • 2TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM Hard Drive ($195) >>>>>> • OCZ Vertex 4 512GB Solid State Drive ($600) >>>>>> • Corsair Professional Series 650W Modular Power Supply ($117) >>>>>> • Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial ATA Internal Drive ($17) >>>>>> • SYBA FireWire 400/800 Card ($28) >>>>>> • Mac OS X Lion Download ($30) or Thumb Drive ($69) >>>>>> So, what's the difference? >>>>>> The obvious advantage the Mac Pro has over the Hack Pro is that it has >>>>>> three times the number of cores. That said, you'd be paying almost four >>>>>> times as much for just that. With a difference of $5,657, you could add >>>>>> another nine 512GB SSDs to this Hack Pro build and still have money left >>>>>> over. (Technically you'd run out of SATA connections for the drives, so >>>>>> don't actually do this.) So do the twelve cores matter? Only if you have >>>>>> applications that can actually take advantage of them. If not, you'll be >>>>>> wasting a lot of money and power. While this Mac Pro might be able to >>>>>> best its Hackintosh counterpart in some situations, we don't think >>>>>> that's worth the cost. We still say stick with the Hack Pro, unless you >>>>>> really need 12 cores. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point it's worth noting that the Hack Pro builds haven't changed >>>>>> much throughout the comparison. The graphics card was always faster, so >>>>>> it wasn't necessary to find a faster one. The CPU can hold its own >>>>>> against old Xeon processors so that wasn't much of an issue, either. >>>>>> When it came to the high-end build, we intended to offer a 240GB >>>>>> SSDinstead of the 512GB option, but Apple only allows you to add 512GB >>>>>> SSDs to your Mac Pro. If you don't need a gigantic solid state drive, >>>>>> you can save yourself about $400 by cutting the space in half. >>>>>> >>>>>> It all comes down to this: when you start upgrading a Mac Pro, you spend >>>>>> a lot of money in the process. When you upgrade a Hack Pro, you don't. >>>>>> You also get a wider selection of what you can use in the machine. The >>>>>> entry-level model we put together is >>>>>> really fast, and barely over $1,000. It's still fast enough to rival the >>>>>> high-end Mac Pro. Until Apple figures out how to handle its professional >>>>>> machines, hackintoshes are going to be the way to go for desktop >>>>>> builds—especially on the higher end of things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Additional Hardware Resources >>>>>> >>>>>> These Hack Pro builds were put together thanks to a great (but slightly >>>>>> outdated) build guide by tonymacx86. They were updated for Ivy Bridge by >>>>>> reading posts in the build section of the tonymacx86 forums (like this >>>>>> one and this one). Be sure to check out those resources if you want to >>>>>> learn more about these builds or swap out any of the parts we chose. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Hackintosh Process >>>>>> >>>>>> Buying a bunch of parts is the starting point, but you still have to >>>>>> actually build your hackintosh. Fortunately, we've got you covered in >>>>>> all aspects. Here are a few resources we've put together to take you >>>>>> through the entire process—even if you run into problems: >>>>>> >>>>>> • How to Build a Computer from Scratch - Read this if you need help >>>>>> building the actual computer. >>>>>> • The Always Up-to-Date Guide to Building a Hackintosh - Read this for >>>>>> information on how to install OS X on your custom hardware. >>>>>> • BridgeHelper - This is a utility you'll want to read about and >>>>>> download, as it'll give you native Ivy Bridge support. >>>>>> • Learn About All the Special Files That Help Your Hackintosh Run - >>>>>> Once you're up and running, it's good >>>>>> to know what's making that possible. Here's a quick overview of all the >>>>>> special files that make your Hackintosh do its thing. >>>>>> • Install Mountain Lion on Your Hackintosh - Mountain Lion isn't out >>>>>> yet, but here's how you can install it if you can't wait. >>>>>> • Best Practices When Dual-Booting a Hackintosh - Want to run Linux >>>>>> and/or Windows, too? Here are the best practices to follow. >>>>>> • How to Troubleshoot a Hackintosh - If something goes wrong, consult >>>>>> this guide for tips on how to fix it. >>>>>> That should be everything you need to know. 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