I agree it's not just the mac. In windows it's fairly standard in the OS and core software like mail ie windows explorer etc. I also understand my using windows for so long means I'm some what blinkered to its inconsistencies and a life long mac user would likely have as many problems moving to windows.
Danny. Sent from my phone On 15/01/2013, at 11:02 AM, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I can honestly say, I've encountered similar things on windows using Jaws. > Certain commands will work in one application, or in a certain instance, but > not in another. I honestly can't say if VO on the Mac does this more or > less. I guess thats pretty subjective. But, I don't think its something > that only effects The Mac and VO. > > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Danny Noonan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> When the concept works, it's great but all the times it's broken, it sux. >> Some times, VO J doesn't move you between all areas you want access too. You >> can't always jump to a table unless your interacting with another table or >> similar area. Unless I don't know a cool command, there's no way to quickly >> move between the tool bar and the preference pane in system preferences. Oh >> wait on, I just found vo command p will do it. Yep, proving my point by >> having to do a different command to do virtually the same thing as in other >> apps. Consistancy is dead on the mac. It's no wonder so many newbies have >> trouble as they have to learn 5 methods of doing the same thing each often >> with multiple steps and different key strokes. >> >> Sorry, getting some frustrations off my chest. This by the way is not a mac >> sux rant, more just pointing out that there is still a lot of room for >> improvement. In our home we have 4 iPhones, and iPod touch, 2 apple tv's and >> 2 MacBooks so we do tend to love our apple stuff, we just don't like that >> apple don't always listen. They do listen some times though right?! >> >> Danny who rips off another tag line in still loving his macs and iDevices. >> >> >> On 15/01/2013, at 10:15 AM, Harry Hogue <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Interacting, once you get used to it, is actually a wonderful thing. It >>> allows me to quickly skip across frames in web pages and groups of buttons, >>> tables, etc. >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Kerri <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found >>>> tough was that blasted interacting, I still detest it vehemently. But >>>> forgetting windows completely for me, was not a huge help because of the >>>> concepts that are the same across the board. >>>> On 2013-01-14, at 4:51 AM, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You know, As an instructor, some times I find this advice helpful and >>>>> sometimes not. While it is useful at times to torpido peoples >>>>> pre-conceptions, it is true that a number of concepts are the same across >>>>> the board, such as file browsing, email reading, and copying/pasting. >>>>> Some users Won't move on without their creature comforts. How do I read >>>>> the title bar? So, if I give them a keystroke that lets them read the >>>>> title of a window, even if I have to then explain about the application >>>>> chooser since they are on the same keypress, it makes them feel better >>>>> having that handy. >>>>> >>>>> I could honestly take both sides or approaches to this. Depending on >>>>> which one seems to be most helpful to the person I'm sitting in front of. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through >>>>> the ontario disability support program at >>>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog >>>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-01-10, at 5:30 AM, Kliphton A M <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The one thing that someone told me helped the most. Forget everything >>>>>> you know about windows! The 2 systems are as different as night and >>>>>> day, so open your mind, and learn the new OS, because even though your >>>>>> not a knew computer user, the system is new to you. Once you do this, >>>>>> everything will start to make more since. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kliphton Senior >>>>>> (Email&iMessage) [email protected] >>>>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>>>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com >>>>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM, David Hole <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping >>>>>>> blind people switching from Windows to Mac. >>>>>>> Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver >>>>>>> commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows >>>>>>> platform, and learn Mac the best way there is? >>>>>>> For example, is the best way to first learn to use VoiceOver with the >>>>>>> QuickKeys, or the hard way with so many keys pressed at once some >>>>>>> times? >>>>>>> What about what to learn first, do you learn them a piece of software >>>>>>> (such as Mail or Safari) or how the OS and how VoiceOver interacts >>>>>>> with it before going into apps? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All comments on this is really welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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