That's very helpful. I new option up and down used to work in mail but never new it worked else ware. That will simplify finder etc quite a lot.
Danny: Always learning, never shutting up. On 15/01/2013, at 12:26 PM, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > This often depends on the list. Option up/down arrow works in many > situations. For example, in the finder and YoruFukurou. I've also made a > shortcut with the keyboard commander and my trackpad commander to lesson the > keystrokes for when option up/down arrow doesn't work. > > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Danny Noonan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If though you had a command to move to the top of a list with out having to >> interact each time I'd be much happier vo shift home is painful if you >> forget to interact first. Apparently before lion this was much easier. I do >> long for home, end, page up and down to work a tad more like in windows. >> >> Having said this, I find myself interacting a lot less lately in many >> situations. >> >> Danny >> >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On 15/01/2013, at 11:16 AM, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'd like to point out something about interacting. I've noticed that many >>> people interact when it is totally unnecessary. Not saying your doing this >>> mind you but, it is something I noticed many new users or, those who use a >>> Mac occasionally do. For example, I've seen people interact with the >>> sources table in iTunes just to navigate up and down their playlists. >>> Totally unnecessary unless one wishes to bring up a context menu for one of >>> the items in their sources table. Another place where I have seen many >>> interact for no real reason is the table in YoruFukurou. Or even the >>> finder. Unless wanting to bring up a context menu for a file or folder, >>> generally speaking, there is nothing gained by interacting in the finder. >>> >>>> I honestly love the interacting method. For instance, I couldn't imagine >>>> using Garageband as 1 continuous window or, multiple windows. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> [email protected] >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Danny Noonan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Concepts do go across both platforms but then those little inconsistencies >>>> bug me. In text editors and the like, you have your good old command x cut >>>> but in finder, you have to use copy command c and then move at the other >>>> end with command option v. Why?! As far as I know Command X isn't used. >>>> Why change it? >>>> >>>> Things like this are the reel challenge as you have several different ways >>>> to do similar tasks and some or all work in some or all situations but >>>> then others don't. >>>> >>>> I will agree that I detest interacting too. It along with a few other >>>> aspics of VoiceOver on the mac add so much time to the simplest of tasks. >>>> >>>> Still, I'm glad I moved over even though there are still some tasks that I >>>> can't do well or at all. I refuse to have a windows machine for a few >>>> simple things though. >>>> >>>> Danny: >>>> >>>> On 15/01/2013, at 10:12 AM, Kerri <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found >>>>> tough was that blasted interacting, I still detest it vehemently. But >>>>> forgetting windows completely for me, was not a huge help because of the >>>>> concepts that are the same across the board. >>>>> On 2013-01-14, at 4:51 AM, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You know, As an instructor, some times I find this advice helpful and >>>>>> sometimes not. While it is useful at times to torpido peoples >>>>>> pre-conceptions, it is true that a number of concepts are the same >>>>>> across the board, such as file browsing, email reading, and >>>>>> copying/pasting. Some users Won't move on without their creature >>>>>> comforts. How do I read the title bar? So, if I give them a keystroke >>>>>> that lets them read the title of a window, even if I have to then >>>>>> explain about the application chooser since they are on the same >>>>>> keypress, it makes them feel better having that handy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I could honestly take both sides or approaches to this. Depending on >>>>>> which one seems to be most helpful to the person I'm sitting in front of. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>>>> Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through >>>>>> the ontario disability support program at >>>>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog >>>>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>>>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-01-10, at 5:30 AM, Kliphton A M <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The one thing that someone told me helped the most. Forget everything >>>>>>> you know about windows! The 2 systems are as different as night and >>>>>>> day, so open your mind, and learn the new OS, because even though your >>>>>>> not a knew computer user, the system is new to you. Once you do this, >>>>>>> everything will start to make more since. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kliphton Senior >>>>>>> (Email&iMessage) [email protected] >>>>>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>>>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>>>>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com >>>>>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM, David Hole <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi folks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping >>>>>>>> blind people switching from Windows to Mac. >>>>>>>> Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver >>>>>>>> commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows >>>>>>>> platform, and learn Mac the best way there is? >>>>>>>> For example, is the best way to first learn to use VoiceOver with the >>>>>>>> QuickKeys, or the hard way with so many keys pressed at once some >>>>>>>> times? >>>>>>>> What about what to learn first, do you learn them a piece of software >>>>>>>> (such as Mail or Safari) or how the OS and how VoiceOver interacts >>>>>>>> with it before going into apps? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All comments on this is really welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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