Hi,

And one more thing to note, VO is built right into the MacOS, so if you can do 
something with VO on a Desktop unit, you can do the same on the laptop unit.  
No need to worry about whether things can be done on one or the other.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-03-24, at 12:11 AM, anita <[email protected]> wrote:

> How do I switch between commands help and getting started? Is there any way 
> to hide the getting started option? How is verbosity changed, or does this 
> not apply to MacBookPros?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: MacBook Inquiries.
> 
> 
>  Start with VO-h.  That is the main help menu and contains all of the ways to 
> get help, including commands help and the getting started guide.  It is the 
> best place to start.
> 
>   Adding additional languages for VoiceOver is done through the VoiceOver 
> Utility under the Speech category in the Voices tab.  You need to select the, 
> Custom, from the default voice popup button and then use the table that will 
> next be presented to choose the other voices you desire.  Check the boxes of 
> the ones you want.  There is a, play, button to the right for samping voices. 
>  When you have made your selections, choose the, OK, button, to download the 
> voices.  Be aware that some of the voices are large, so they might take some 
> time to download.
> 
>  Once you have them, you can choose them from the popup button or, as an 
> easier alternative, you can use control-option-command-right or left arrow 
> until you get to, Efault Voice.  Then use control-option-command-up or down 
> arrow to change the voice.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, [email protected]
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
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> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:54 PM, "anita" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to change both if possible. Are there other ways of accessing more 
>> detailed VO support from the product directly? Tried pressing VO+f8, to get 
>> in to VO specific settings, but this didn't work. Am I missing a step?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: MacBook Inquiries.
>> 
>> 
>>>  You can hit the escape key to get out of the getting started tutorial. If 
>>> that doesn't work, try the letter v key.
>>> 
>>>  Are you talking switching VoiceOver languages or the keyboard language?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, [email protected]
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2013, at 9:32 PM, "anita" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> As think I stated in another message, my MacBook Pro is in operation: just 
>>>> not sure how to get past the getting started tutorial. How much is that 
>>>> paid utility for use in Windows you mentioned? How do I change the 
>>>> languages in VO?
>>>> Anita
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: MacBook Inquiries.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Anita
>>>>> Windows on mac is discussed quite a lot on this and other lists.
>>>>> While it is possible to run Windows on mac, the easiest and truly 
>>>>> accessible way to do this is with a paid product called Vmware Fusion.
>>>>> That's all I will say for now until you get your mac up and running. I'm 
>>>>> only trying to save confusion here, and hopefully not being more a 
>>>>> hindrance than a help.
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>>>> E-mail and Facebook:
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Skype:
>>>>> chrishallsworth7266
>>>>> Twitter:
>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/@christopherh40
>>>>> Find my blog at
>>>>> challsworth2.wordpress.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23/03/2013 13:52, anita wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>  Will I be able to use Windows too on my Macbook Pro. I don't
>>>>>> remember if discussion of that topic was mentioned on here yesterday.
>>>>>> Perhaps it was another list.
>>>>>>  Anita
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:26 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: MacBook Inquiries.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Anita
>>>>>>> then it's the Macbook Pro with non-retina display. This is the only
>>>>>>> choice now if you want one with an optical drive built in.
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>>>>>> E-mail and Facebook:
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>> Skype:
>>>>>>> chrishallsworth7266
>>>>>>> Twitter:
>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/@christopherh40
>>>>>>> Find my blog at
>>>>>>> challsworth2.wordpress.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 22/03/2013 21:15, anita wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>   I'm getting a MacBook, but am not sure how to choose the best
>>>>>>>> one. Having a CD slot is essential.  This may limit my
>>>>>>>> selections/choices, buthaving a laptop is what I want, and just wanna
>>>>>>>> get the most for my money.
>>>>>>>>   Thanks for any info.
>>>>>>>>   Anita
>>>>>>>> 
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