HI. when I review an app, I try to mention it's status regarding accessibility. I think if we mention it in reviews then possibly this might help to give a new buyer an idea.
I have been hesitant to buy mac apps because usually I have no idea whether or not they are accessible. If I can find a free version or trial version that is a good thing. but I digress. Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly. Email/ I Message: &fb [email protected] twitter: bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 [email protected] On 22/04/2013, at 11:46 AM, Sean Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Each country has different consumer laws where your rights are protected. > Since Apple has a centre in a lot of countries. The laws for that country > apply. In the example of a $150.00 app isn't accessible or meets the users > needs. In Australia you have grounds to get a refund. In fact, I believe > there is an link on the Apple web site to permit you to get this refund. I > believe the UK has similar laws to Australia. > > I do not know if the USA has these consumer laws, in protecting your rights. > > > > In relation to rating apps or even having a method of tagging if it is > accessible. If it is left up to the end-user. Then software houses can game > the ranking. This has occurred on any platform where you can rank the > application. So it isn't a Apple specific issue I am referring to here. > Example: > > I create an app that claims to be accessible. Then I spend a day ranking it > high with the accessibility ranking flag. Result, you cannot trust the > ranking system completely. > > > Since Apple provides the libraries to be used by developers. Then I am sure > it would be possible to have a script that detects the usage of the libraries > for Voice-Over. Then a flag could be raised indicating there is possible > accessibility in this app. The only true way to test an app is by a person. > > Sean > On 22/04/2013, at 9:30 AM, "Chris Gilland" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I wasn't going to chime in, but when you mentioned about the refund >> polacy... allow me to tell you all what Itunes Store Support said once to >> me. It was enough to where it almost caused me to boycott and never ever >> use Apple products again. >> >> I bought an app which the dev kept swearing left and right would work with >> Voiceover, though didn't offer a trial. I tried making special arrangements >> with him for a serial number which he could activate for me for 8 to 12 >> hours, just long enough for me to try it, and see if it worked, with the >> promise that I'd buy it if it worked. Even still, he refused. This app was >> around $150. So, not cheap, to say the very least. I finally bit the >> bullet and bought the app on the app store. Not only was it not accessible >> in the least, thus proving the dev's assumption incorrect, but when I wrote >> the dev, he never replied back to me, and never cared that I had bought the >> product but was having an issue. suffice it to say, Finally, I took it up >> with Apple. They gave me the whole shenanigan of: well, it's not our >> problem that you bought an inaccessible app, you should have done your >> research more thoroughly, blah blah, blah. I explained to them I did >> everything! within my power to test the accessibility before buying, but the >> dev was totally uncooperative. They still maintained that it's not their >> problem, and to get over it young. When I explained it was $150, all they >> seemed to be capable of saying was, ouch! that's a lot, followed by their >> canded appologies. I finally requested a refund. As this point, they told >> me flat out, even if it was music in the ITunes music store that had been >> corrupted, the bottom line was, accessibility not withstanding, quote >> unquote: we don't refund blind people. That was literally their exact >> words, I swear, to, god! We? do not? refund, blind people! I almost puked >> when hearing this! I couldn't believe my ears! >> >> Needless to say, I contacted a lawyer her works for the NFB, and we'll just >> say he didn't even have to take the case pro-bono. He called them on my >> behalf, and well... we'll just say by the end of the day, I had not only a >> refund, but I got twice! the amount I initially paid refunded back to me. >> >> Needless to say, people don't wanna F with me, on the level of bad customer >> service ediquet, cause believe me: I will! get things done, case closed. >> >> Anyway, my point is, I totally! agree with you that a polacy should be made, >> not necessarily to refund people who get inaccessible apps, don't get me >> wrong, but at the very! least, one that says in both the IOS app store, as >> well as the mac app store, there needs to be a requirement to submit some >> form of a trial version of your product. Maybe I'm over-reacting, but come >> on! $150 later and now you're gonna tell me you don't refund quote: >> bl'l'lind people? I'm sorry, but, that's a crocka, you know what... >> >> Chris. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:08 PM >> Subject: Re: App Accessibility: Please Read! >> >> >> I especially like the idea of getting refunds for inaccessible apps. How >> many times has someone gone out and bought an app only to find it impossible >> to use with VO? That's why I like going to AppleVis to see if there is any >> mention of a proposed app before buying. There won't always be something >> there but worth a look. AppleVis is an excellent resource for a11y >> information for the time being. >> >> I tend to agree with the previous poster expressing concerns about an >> accessibility rating in a public forum where there are so many people who >> have no a11y concerns and this could make an app statistically look less >> accessible than it really might be. >> >> On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:35 PM, "J.P." <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That is an easier way Karen, and valuable as well. I'm not blind to fact >>> you have different levels of users. 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