Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden by something. So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and went on in Mountain Lion. The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails to [email protected] as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my opinion. All the best Jürgen
Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker <[email protected]>: > Hi, > > Just curious, do you have the preview pane open in Mail? I don't, I'm > wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to > favorites, an I'm not? > > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hey John, >> >> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was >> showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO >> shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and >> had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the >> frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As far >> as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since Mountain >> Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple accessibility >> so many times on several issues. We are aware of the problem, but can't say >> when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing the web spots >> so when you click VO command right bracket takes you right instead of left, >> would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me seems something >> very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't put a lot of stock >> in any VO improvements until the next operating system comes out. I get that >> only a very small percentage of people use VO, and that Apple cannot commit >> a great number of resources to it, but just be honest, instead of treating >> us like idiots waiting for a fix. Don't get me wrong I do appreciate Apple's >> commitment to accessibility, it's the leading us to think there will be >> improvements that annoys me. >> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Brian, >>> It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with >>> VoiceOver. You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and >>> then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to >>> the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox. I don't think you need to >>> interact with the favorites bar though to drop the mailbox. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Director >>> Mac for the Blind >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, [email protected] >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>> >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>> >>>> You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my >>>> mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application >>>> closed everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a >>>> restart, and still got the message VO cannot drag the item as the item >>>> might be hidden. I then did everything the old fashioned way called >>>> someone who could see and had them come over. They confirmed that nothing >>>> was blocking the mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting the >>>> same message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, and >>>> they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a bug with >>>> Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I hate not being >>>> able to do something so simple that should take me two seconds. >>>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself. >>>>> >>>>> When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's some >>>>> other window or application blocking that item on the screen. Using >>>>> VoiceOver it is of course very difficult to get an idea of what this >>>>> might be. So what usually works for me is just closing that window or >>>>> application and opening it again. Also try closing any other windows you >>>>> might have open. Use the windows chooser (VO-F2 twice quickly) to see if >>>>> there are any other windows or notifications open. Try quitting all other >>>>> applications before you try dragging and dropping again. >>>>> >>>>> The commands you're using should work. 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