Hi Eric! OK I hope this does not come across wrong! Although this is taking place under USA laws maybe the point could be made that this disision will effect people in other country's, so a bigger community! IE like the iPhone as been mentioned before! Just a thought! Colin
On 8 Aug 2013, at 11:01, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: > and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us > penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live the > same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept anything > less? > > -eric > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, >> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s funny >> how quickly perspectives change. >> >> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be >> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in >> existence. >> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to use >> anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be a very >> good think if other companies would realise the importance of opening their >> products up to other segments of society and not excluding them. I just >> don’t think that this is going to convince them. >> >> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me at times >> that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to understand the >> importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even used for. On the >> other hand, I think that there is a much larger faction at Apple that >> definitely gets it and that the evidence to support this is over whelming. >> I realise that not every body can listen to them, but there were some very >> impressive sessions at WWDC on the importance of accessibility and how easy >> it really is to not only make an app usable to a blind person, but make it a >> nice experience to use. >> >> I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency needs to >> step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how their product is >> required to function, the result probably won’t be something you are going >> to want to use. >> >> I think that we as a blind community have access to more information then at >> any other time in history. And, while things can always be better, maybe >> some gratitude is in order for the really good things that some companies >> like Apple have done. >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor should >>> they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would really help to >>> level the playing field! >>> >>> >>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>> Fielding >>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>> richr...@gmail.com >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there >>>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and it's >>>> not the disabled they are talking about either. They are talking about the >>>> blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They might as well have. After >>>> all, most of the other disabilities can read the print. When I heard about >>>> this law, I had a feeling this kind of thing was going to start with the >>>> "we can't" people. >>>> >>>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the accessibility >>>> problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them along by saying we >>>> can all use iPads etc.! >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of story. >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hello all: >>>>> >>>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that many of >>>>>> you will take the time to comment. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility Rules >>>>>> for ACS >>>>> >>>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) released a >>>>>> Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed by the Coalition of >>>>>> E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition requests that the Commission waive >>>>>> its rules requiring equipment used for advanced communications services >>>>>> (ACS) to be accessible by people with disabilities. The Coalition states >>>>>> that, although e-readers are equipment that consumers can use for ACS, >>>>>> they are designed primarily for reading. >>>>> >>>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that would not >>>>>> be subject to the waiver request, the Coalition requests a waiver for >>>>>> e-readers that have the following features: >>>>> >>>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in ACS >>>>>> client applications and their manufacturers do not develop ACS >>>>>> applications for their respective devices, though the devices may >>>>>> include a browser and social media applications; and >>>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and promotional >>>>>> material does not tout the capability to access ACS. >>>>> >>>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 >>>>> >>>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> (PDF) http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>>> (Word) >>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>>> (Text) >>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> >>>>> >>>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> >>>>> >>>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, 2013): >>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 >>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307> >>>>> >>>>>> For further information, please contact Eliot Greenwald at (202) >>>>>> 418-2235 oreliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov><mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov>>; 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