okay.
perhaps that explains the Cause of updates being made only in osx system
updates.
but without certainties.
but so far was the best explanation of the topic.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 31/10/2013 13:13, Tim Kilburn escreveu:
Hi,
The issue with automatic updates to VoiceOver has been skirted around
here but not clearly enough in my opinion. VoiceOver is not just a
bolted on app to the MacOS, it is a part of the OS itself. While you
could update specific code within the screenreader service, the
majority of fixes actually are within the coding of the system itself.
That is, the way that either the OS handles a process or the method
by which Apple or third party apps handle system resources often cause
the problems we have with the VO interface. The use of custom
elements within apps is outside the scope and of VO updates but, when,
addressed affect VO accessibility. So, what I’m saying, is that I
don’t believe that updates to VO can necessarily be easily separated
from OS updates other than through “Supplemental” sorts of things.
JMO.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:17 AM, mario navarro <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
no, what I said, is that the voice over also has bugs independently
of apps.
sorry but I do not think that way .
I only want the best for the voice over, I'm not comparing windows
and mac.
please do not misunderstand me .
cheers.
Em 31/10/2013 08:49, BBS escreveu:
I can tell you my answer right now. Voiceover doesn’t need to be
like Jaws or Window-Eyes updating all the time. Even if Voiceover
were updated constantly, that wouldn’t solve anything. The apps that
have been inaccessible will remain inaccessible until the app
developers fix those issues themselves. And as far as Voiceover
having bugs in the app, hate to say this, but you’ve pretty much
said your problem yourself, that the apps are the problem and not
Voiceover. So no, Voiceover doesn’t need automatic updates. We don’t
need to go through the same hell we go through with Windows screen
readers.
Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book
On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:29 AM, mario navarro <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
hi nicholas.
I know that most times the problems are the apps, apps are standard
sustema osx, or other companies.
but the voice over also has some bugs in certain apps that to be
fixed.
The voice over is not immune to bugs.
we all know that screen readers have bugs whatever they are.
and also has voice over.
It would also automatic updates for new features.
nicholas ok, if the group agrees with the automatic updates, I want
you to write the ticket for me to send.
I'll be super grateful.
thanks friend nicholas.
cheers.
Em 31/10/2013 06:29, Nicholas Parsons escreveu:
Seems to me Apple could push out updates to VoiceOver if they
wanted to, just as they push other updates for raw camera
compatibility and the like, even though those aren't separate
applications.
More frequent updates to VoiceOver would be good. However, the
main accessibility issues we have are not problems with VoiceOver,
but typically problems in other apps. It's those apps that need to
be updated to improve accessibility, not VoiceOver. For instance,
in Mountain Lion it's iBooks, Pages, Mail, Calendar and Finder
which need updates, not VoiceOver. Well, there are a couple of
issues with some of the voices messing some things up, but that's
a different issue as it's Nuance that needs to address those issues.
Having said all this, Mario, I'd be happy to write the email for
you if you like, and then you can send it from your own email
account. I'll wait and hear what other people on this list have to
say first, however, as it's probably wise to take on board other
feedback.
Cheers,
Nic
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