I gotta interject here because you’re talking about voices. Those Dutch and English voices you’re talking about aren’t made by Apple. These are Vocalizer Expressive voices which are made by Nuance. So therefore, Apple can’t do anything with these voices because Nuance is in charge of them. As for your other comment, I don’t quite know what you mean by Apple should make individual bundles for Voiceover, but it sounds to me like you want Apple to make Voiceover just like Jaws or Window-Eyes. I’ve said this before and I’ll say that again, the day that Apple does that is the day I’ll stop using a computer. I want my screenreader experience to be as fast and responsive as it has been and if I want a piece of crap screenreader I’ll use Windows. Seriously, I don’t know why Voiceover not having updates is an issue?
Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Nov 5, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Peter Durieux <[email protected]> wrote: > the thing is, you can't compare vo with an app for office stuff. > the vo behaviour is the same like on other platforms. > Microsoft, such as others, gnome for example, provide accessibility > information in their components. > Jaws / Window-Eyes or orca on linux does the same as voiceover, it reads the > accessibility information and does something usefull. > > Therefor, it should be geat if apple decides to bundle in a separate package. > With a separate package, bugfixes will find their way faster to the enduser. > > ON microsoft you have naratoor, of a point of view it seems the same like > voiceover, but yeah. > > The text-t-speech voices are packaged in different bundles, but yeah in the > way of Apple thinking. It is possible to rollout an update with bugfixes, but > sadly it isn't the fact. > We have an tts bug since Lion with the dutch speaking voices, the same we had > on ios4 that was fixed in ios 5. > the english tts had been fixed to ml, but still in 10.9 we've got the bug in > some languages. > > It is realy a shame on Apple or they don't care about the market outside us. > > Just my 2 cents > > > On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 01:24:00PM -0700, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You are correct in that VoiceOver can have bugs that are independent of the >> Accessibility layer. The issue, in my opinion, though is that VoiceOver is >> not really an app in the same sense as iTunes or Microsoft Office etc. The >> MacOS is not available without VoiceOver. You do not install VoiceOver >> after the fact. You cannot install your MacOS without VO being there as >> well. VoiceOver is a screenreader service woven into the MacOS thus >> difficult to independently update. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Nov 4, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Peter Durieux <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> you have: >>> - the accessibility layer itself (compontents of the os that provide >>> accessibility information) >>> - voiceover screen that interacts with the accessibility layer. >>> >>> VoiceOver can like other programs have bugs that has nothing to do with the >>> underlying accessibility layer of the os. >>> >>> just my 2 cents >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 07:13:55AM -0600, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> The issue with automatic updates to VoiceOver has been skirted around here >>>> but not clearly enough in my opinion. VoiceOver is not just a bolted on >>>> app to the MacOS, it is a part of the OS itself. While you could update >>>> specific code within the screenreader service, the majority of fixes >>>> actually are within the coding of the system itself. That is, the way >>>> that either the OS handles a process or the method by which Apple or third >>>> party apps handle system resources often cause the problems we have with >>>> the VO interface. The use of custom elements within apps is outside the >>>> scope and of VO updates but, when, addressed affect VO accessibility. So, >>>> what I’m saying, is that I don’t believe that updates to VO can >>>> necessarily be easily separated from OS updates other than through >>>> “Supplemental” sorts of things. >>>> >>>> JMO. >>>> >>>> Later… >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:17 AM, mario navarro <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> no, what I said, is that the voice over also has bugs independently of >>>>> apps. >>>>> sorry but I do not think that way . >>>>> >>>>> I only want the best for the voice over, I'm not comparing windows and >>>>> mac. >>>>> please do not misunderstand me . >>>>> >>>>> cheers. >>>>> Em 31/10/2013 08:49, BBS escreveu: >>>>>> I can tell you my answer right now. Voiceover doesn’t need to be like >>>>>> Jaws or Window-Eyes updating all the time. Even if Voiceover were >>>>>> updated constantly, that wouldn’t solve anything. The apps that have >>>>>> been inaccessible will remain inaccessible until the app developers fix >>>>>> those issues themselves. And as far as Voiceover having bugs in the app, >>>>>> hate to say this, but you’ve pretty much said your problem yourself, >>>>>> that the apps are the problem and not Voiceover. So no, Voiceover >>>>>> doesn’t need automatic updates. We don’t need to go through the same >>>>>> hell we go through with Windows screen readers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn >>>>>> Sent From My White Mac Book >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:29 AM, mario navarro <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hi nicholas. >>>>>>> I know that most times the problems are the apps, apps are standard >>>>>>> sustema osx, or other companies. >>>>>>> but the voice over also has some bugs in certain apps that to be fixed. >>>>>>> The voice over is not immune to bugs. >>>>>>> we all know that screen readers have bugs whatever they are. >>>>>>> and also has voice over. >>>>>>> It would also automatic updates for new features. >>>>>>> nicholas ok, if the group agrees with the automatic updates, I want you >>>>>>> to write the ticket for me to send. >>>>>>> I'll be super grateful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks friend nicholas. >>>>>>> cheers. >>>>>>> Em 31/10/2013 06:29, Nicholas Parsons escreveu: >>>>>>>> Seems to me Apple could push out updates to VoiceOver if they wanted >>>>>>>> to, just as they push other updates for raw camera compatibility and >>>>>>>> the like, even though those aren't separate applications. >>>>>>>> More frequent updates to VoiceOver would be good. However, the main >>>>>>>> accessibility issues we have are not problems with VoiceOver, but >>>>>>>> typically problems in other apps. It's those apps that need to be >>>>>>>> updated to improve accessibility, not VoiceOver. For instance, in >>>>>>>> Mountain Lion it's iBooks, Pages, Mail, Calendar and Finder which need >>>>>>>> updates, not VoiceOver. Well, there are a couple of issues with some >>>>>>>> of the voices messing some things up, but that's a different issue as >>>>>>>> it's Nuance that needs to address those issues. >>>>>>>> Having said all this, Mario, I'd be happy to write the email for you >>>>>>>> if you like, and then you can send it from your own email account. >>>>>>>> I'll wait and hear what other people on this list have to say first, >>>>>>>> however, as it's probably wise to take on board other feedback. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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