Thanks, Tim. I'll see if I can survive without them and if not I'll switch back. I think I'll need to spend a fair bit of time experimenting to learn what they all do and what are the optimum settings for me. Cheers, Nic
On 20 Jan 2013, at 2:52 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Not positive, but I believe that you may wish to put the general verbosity setting back to medium but adjust specific elements to low. There are some things that are not mentioned under the Additional Speech Verbosity options that are affected when you set verbosity to low, medium or high. Therefore, if you prefer certain elements to have a specific verbosity level and they’re not necessary mentioned as modifiable, then I’m thinking that this is the way to go. I haven’t played with these settings since 10.5 or so thus can’t pretend to know much about them. I do recall, though, the behaviour I’m hinting about. HTH. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:18 AM, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: > HI Tim and others, > I've now customised my verbosity options. I've chosen low but tweaked a > couple of things in the custom table. However, VoiceOver now doesn't seem to > read app badges when I switch to that app in the app chooser. For instance, > when I command tab to Mail with verbosity set to medium, VoiceOver used to > read how many items there were. Do you know what I have to adjust in the > verbosity settings to get VoiceOver to read these badges again? I've tried > app but this doesn't seem to work. > Cheers, > Nic > > On 19 Jan 2013, at 6:29 PM, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks, Tim! I never noticed that option before. For anyone else looking for > this, in Mountain Lion at least it's called "additional speech verbosity > options check box". I had played with low verbosity before but didn't like > that it wouldn't announce buttons, so this should be great for me. Thanks > again. > Nic > On 18 Jan 2013, at 2:48 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Have you looked at the advanced verbosity settings within the VO Utility? > When in the Verbosity pane of VO Utility, check the box for Advanced Speech > Verbosity options, then Interact with the Table and go down the list. You > could change the verbosity level for specific elements to a lower level. > This may reduce VO’s verbosity for those sorts of elements to a level you > more prefer. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The two items three items thing you're hearing is most likely lists with >> several items. Whenever VoiceOver encounters a list or sub-list, it >> announces how many items are in the list. I agree it's overly verbose and >> not really necessary. It's VoiceOver treating the HTML <ol> and <ul> tags as >> a separate element, which it's not. I wish there was a way to make VoiceOver >> read a paragraph or whole HTML element at a time without being interrupted >> by links and the like. I like the way I can navigate through webpages with >> JAWS on Internet Explorer with control down arrow — I wish there was >> something similar with VoiceOver. >> >> For internal links, however, it's important that VoiceOver distinguishes >> these from ordinary links. Ordinary links take you to another webpage, >> whereas internal links take you somewhere else on the webpage you are >> currently on. They are usually used to navigate from the top of the page to >> the start of the main article or substance of the page. You probably come >> across those on many pages called skip to main internal link and the like. >> >> Best, >> Nic >> >> >> On 17/11/2013, at 7:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Well, if you interact with the two items and three items things, you will >> notice that you can see items on the page that you cannot see without >> interacting with those items. Not everything on the page is visible on the >> surface look of the page. So, if you see an item with a label on it that >> says something like info tab with five items, and you interact with it, you >> will notice things there that you would not see until you interact with it. >> Why? Much of it has to do with the way the page is written and how Voice >> Over is seeing that code. So, in other words, it’s not a bug, rather, it’s >> got to do with the new designing of pages and how we interact with it. Same >> with the internal links. I suspect that clicking on these internal links >> reveals parts of the page that could not otherwise be seen. the web is not >> going to stand still for our benefit. It’s changing, and, the way Voice >> Over sees and deals with the code must change with it and, frankly, so must >> our old and now outdated perceptions of how we understand the web. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, with Safari, anyone no why on earth we get with Voiceover 2 items, >>> 3 items oh and lets not forget that internal link now and then. >>> >>> I don't know if its me but these little things in Safari are starting to >>> get on my nerves. >>> Guess you could say I'm moaning. lol >>> >>> Do they annoy others here. 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