Hi Brian and All,

I don't believe that accessibility is a factor here in this case, especially 
since many of the Gmail issues in Mavericks are across the board for VO and 
non-VO users.  So some sort of campaign would be unnecessary and misguided in 
my opinion.

I have an idea though for you Brian.  If you have your iCloud account already 
set up then you can quickly bulk move messages using the following method:

1.  Create some new mailboxes in your iCloud account.  Name them something 
similar to what's in your Gmail but distinct enough that you can tell that it's 
part of your iCloud account.  For example, if you had something named 
MacVisionaries in your Gmail, you could name it iCloud MacVisionaries in the 
iCloud account.
2.  Go into the Gmail mailbox that you wish to save messages from, for example, 
Sent.
3.  Press cmd-a to Select All.
4.  Press VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.
5.  Press "m o" to take you to the "Move to" item.
6.  VO-right to open the submenu and "i c" to take you down to the iCloud 
MacVisionaries mailbox that you just created.
7.  Press return.

This will move all those messages over to your iCloud account and place them in 
the appropriate folder.  Repeat the process for other mailboxes.  It actually 
shouldn't take that long even with how many messages you have.  After moving 
all the messages over, you can either disable the Gmail account and not worry 
about it anymore, or once you've confirmed that all the messages have been 
moved over, you can mass delete them from Gmail.  This will allow you time to 
go through your historical messages getting rid of the older unnecessary ones.  
If you aren't ready to totally disable your Gmail, this will also drastically 
reduce the number of messages in your Gmail account possibly making the Mail 
app work better in your configuration.  You can also rename the folders after 
you've migrated away from Gmail so that they aren't all named iCloud blah blah.

As long as you have both your Gmail and your iCloud account set up in the Mail 
app on your Mac, you can easily move things between any mailbox on either 
account.  I move things from my home ISP eMail account over to my iCloud 
account all the time since the iCloud is an iMap account and more easily 
accessible from all my devices anywhere, anytime.  This might be worth a try 
for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:38 PM, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am still getting all mails from here. THen again, I can't upgrade to 
> mavericks (machine too old). If apple is starting to get lax in their 
> accessibility, then a causes petition or a email/fax campaign is in order. 
> Talking to the developers is all find and good, but they don't make the 
> decisions as to what gets posted into the final product.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> 
>> So gmail worked in mac mail for a day, and now mac mail is absolutely 
>> unusable again as every single time I hit VO and the arrow key I get a busy 
>> message and then again and again. I am using mac mail on my laptop to send 
>> this, and sure enough gmail isn't working with mac mail here either but 
>> differently as I can use it but the macvisionaries list hasn't gotten a new 
>> message in the mailbox since friday. Not sure how everyone is not having 
>> such severe problems and why I am the lucky one, but dealing with new issues 
>> every day is really making me hate mac. Not sure what else I can do as 
>> rolling back isn't an option and not using my computer isn't either. 
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