I'd never use G-mail and when switching from Fast Mail, soon after Apple 
announced their new Mail Service, I switched when I got my first I phone which 
was the 4. So congratulations for moving to I cloud!

Kawal.

> On 19 Feb 2014, at 02:00 am, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hey Tim,
> 
> Thanks so much as you are the voice of reason. I think this latest suggestion 
> is exactly what I have to do as I can do it on my laptop where mail is 
> working and then disable gmail on the desktop and go through everything. 
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian and All,
>> 
>> I don't believe that accessibility is a factor here in this case, especially 
>> since many of the Gmail issues in Mavericks are across the board for VO and 
>> non-VO users.  So some sort of campaign would be unnecessary and misguided 
>> in my opinion.
>> 
>> I have an idea though for you Brian.  If you have your iCloud account 
>> already set up then you can quickly bulk move messages using the following 
>> method:
>> 
>> 1.  Create some new mailboxes in your iCloud account.  Name them something 
>> similar to what's in your Gmail but distinct enough that you can tell that 
>> it's part of your iCloud account.  For example, if you had something named 
>> MacVisionaries in your Gmail, you could name it iCloud MacVisionaries in the 
>> iCloud account.
>> 2.  Go into the Gmail mailbox that you wish to save messages from, for 
>> example, Sent.
>> 3.  Press cmd-a to Select All.
>> 4.  Press VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.
>> 5.  Press "m o" to take you to the "Move to" item.
>> 6.  VO-right to open the submenu and "i c" to take you down to the iCloud 
>> MacVisionaries mailbox that you just created.
>> 7.  Press return.
>> 
>> This will move all those messages over to your iCloud account and place them 
>> in the appropriate folder.  Repeat the process for other mailboxes.  It 
>> actually shouldn't take that long even with how many messages you have.  
>> After moving all the messages over, you can either disable the Gmail account 
>> and not worry about it anymore, or once you've confirmed that all the 
>> messages have been moved over, you can mass delete them from Gmail.  This 
>> will allow you time to go through your historical messages getting rid of 
>> the older unnecessary ones.  If you aren't ready to totally disable your 
>> Gmail, this will also drastically reduce the number of messages in your 
>> Gmail account possibly making the Mail app work better in your 
>> configuration.  You can also rename the folders after you've migrated away 
>> from Gmail so that they aren't all named iCloud blah blah.
>> 
>> As long as you have both your Gmail and your iCloud account set up in the 
>> Mail app on your Mac, you can easily move things between any mailbox on 
>> either account.  I move things from my home ISP eMail account over to my 
>> iCloud account all the time since the iCloud is an iMap account and more 
>> easily accessible from all my devices anywhere, anytime.  This might be 
>> worth a try for you.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:38 PM, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am still getting all mails from here. THen again, I can't upgrade to 
>>> mavericks (machine too old). If apple is starting to get lax in their 
>>> accessibility, then a causes petition or a email/fax campaign is in order. 
>>> Talking to the developers is all find and good, but they don't make the 
>>> decisions as to what gets posted into the final product.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So gmail worked in mac mail for a day, and now mac mail is absolutely 
>>>> unusable again as every single time I hit VO and the arrow key I get a 
>>>> busy message and then again and again. I am using mac mail on my laptop to 
>>>> send this, and sure enough gmail isn't working with mac mail here either 
>>>> but differently as I can use it but the macvisionaries list hasn't gotten 
>>>> a new message in the mailbox since friday. Not sure how everyone is not 
>>>> having such severe problems and why I am the lucky one, but dealing with 
>>>> new issues every day is really making me hate mac. Not sure what else I 
>>>> can do as rolling back isn't an option and not using my computer isn't 
>>>> either. 
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