Hey Tim,

Thanks so much as you are the voice of reason. I think this latest suggestion 
is exactly what I have to do as I can do it on my laptop where mail is working 
and then disable gmail on the desktop and go through everything. Thanks for the 
suggestion.
On Feb 18, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Brian and All,
> 
> I don't believe that accessibility is a factor here in this case, especially 
> since many of the Gmail issues in Mavericks are across the board for VO and 
> non-VO users.  So some sort of campaign would be unnecessary and misguided in 
> my opinion.
> 
> I have an idea though for you Brian.  If you have your iCloud account already 
> set up then you can quickly bulk move messages using the following method:
> 
> 1.  Create some new mailboxes in your iCloud account.  Name them something 
> similar to what's in your Gmail but distinct enough that you can tell that 
> it's part of your iCloud account.  For example, if you had something named 
> MacVisionaries in your Gmail, you could name it iCloud MacVisionaries in the 
> iCloud account.
> 2.  Go into the Gmail mailbox that you wish to save messages from, for 
> example, Sent.
> 3.  Press cmd-a to Select All.
> 4.  Press VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.
> 5.  Press "m o" to take you to the "Move to" item.
> 6.  VO-right to open the submenu and "i c" to take you down to the iCloud 
> MacVisionaries mailbox that you just created.
> 7.  Press return.
> 
> This will move all those messages over to your iCloud account and place them 
> in the appropriate folder.  Repeat the process for other mailboxes.  It 
> actually shouldn't take that long even with how many messages you have.  
> After moving all the messages over, you can either disable the Gmail account 
> and not worry about it anymore, or once you've confirmed that all the 
> messages have been moved over, you can mass delete them from Gmail.  This 
> will allow you time to go through your historical messages getting rid of the 
> older unnecessary ones.  If you aren't ready to totally disable your Gmail, 
> this will also drastically reduce the number of messages in your Gmail 
> account possibly making the Mail app work better in your configuration.  You 
> can also rename the folders after you've migrated away from Gmail so that 
> they aren't all named iCloud blah blah.
> 
> As long as you have both your Gmail and your iCloud account set up in the 
> Mail app on your Mac, you can easily move things between any mailbox on 
> either account.  I move things from my home ISP eMail account over to my 
> iCloud account all the time since the iCloud is an iMap account and more 
> easily accessible from all my devices anywhere, anytime.  This might be worth 
> a try for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:38 PM, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I am still getting all mails from here. THen again, I can't upgrade to 
>> mavericks (machine too old). If apple is starting to get lax in their 
>> accessibility, then a causes petition or a email/fax campaign is in order. 
>> Talking to the developers is all find and good, but they don't make the 
>> decisions as to what gets posted into the final product.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> 
>>> So gmail worked in mac mail for a day, and now mac mail is absolutely 
>>> unusable again as every single time I hit VO and the arrow key I get a busy 
>>> message and then again and again. I am using mac mail on my laptop to send 
>>> this, and sure enough gmail isn't working with mac mail here either but 
>>> differently as I can use it but the macvisionaries list hasn't gotten a new 
>>> message in the mailbox since friday. Not sure how everyone is not having 
>>> such severe problems and why I am the lucky one, but dealing with new 
>>> issues every day is really making me hate mac. Not sure what else I can do 
>>> as rolling back isn't an option and not using my computer isn't either. 
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