On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Robert Vazan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RV> Things will be faster with improved hardware and pipelining protocols. How
RV> fast is your filter?

 Very fast. But I don't look at them when I open my INBOX. The problem is
that I leave it opened all the time (except when I have to reboot Mahogany
to test new version) and so each new mail is filtered as it arrives. So
it's very useful to read in the corner of the screen that it was an
unimportant mail (job related) or important one (about Mahogany :-).

RV> Also, good implementation of progress dialog should not flicker.

 Agreed. But, again, I don't even speak about the progress dialog (which is
not shown when filtering one message only anyhow), but about the status
messages.

RV> Maybe progress dialog could wait for a fraction of second before it lets
RV> the process to continue. This would also make visible anything that appears
RV> after filtering, like spam status and subjects of messages that passed
RV> filter. It could be default. I have seen such intentional delays in other
RV> software.

 We can ill afford intentional delays considering the number of
unintentional ones in Mahogany :-/

RV> > RV> I can start implementing changes about 19th October. Before that, I
RV> 
RV> 9th October, Thursday

 I don't want to hurry you, anyhow. It's just that I [continue to] think
that replacing information (whatever it is) with "hidden" is not a useful
feature.

RV> I don't care whether "hidden in spam filter" is shown or not. I can hide
RV> subject/sender lines completely.

 So let's do it. Let's have an option whether they should be shown or not.
By default it would be on however. Like this I can keep the old behaviour
and be happy and you can have the new one which I don't like but which at
least makes sense to me (unlike "hiding" them).

RV> Well, there isn't clear solution for such cases. There could be option
RV> allowing several choices, e.g.:
RV> 
RV> Hide subjects while filtering:
RV> (1) Never
RV> (2) For messages that match spam rule
RV> (3) Until last spam rule
RV> (4) In filters involving spam rule
RV> (5) Always
RV> 
RV> Default would be (3). You would probably want (2), so that you see messages
RV> that match quick filters. I would temporarily use (4) and when built-in
RV> filter becomes capable enough, I would go back to (3). The point here is
RV> not only that I want to have good spam filter, but also that the spam
RV> filter works for all Mahogany users. This includes having reasonable
RV> defaults.

 Yes, but I've really never heard of anyone complaining about seeing the
messages about the spam being recognized as such and being moved to the
trash. If anything, I'm *glad* to see them :-) Also, to be honest, I think
it's nice to have a feeling of retaining some control over the program: at
least you see what it is doing and can catch false positives sometimes. I
don't like programs which silently do whatever they consider the right
thing to be and don't even tell the user about what it is.

 Regards,
VZ



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