On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:53:47 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) Vadim Zeitlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

VZ> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:35:35 +1000 (EST) Mark Livingstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
VZ> 
VZ> ML> I can see that what I was referring to has taken you down a different track to
VZ> ML> what I was talking about. When I referred to NNTP / IMAP above, I was
VZ> ML> commenting on how each time you want to read a news group, M proceeds to
VZ> ML> download the entire News group with no reference to what you had previously
VZ> ML> seen before.
VZ> 
VZ>  This should be fixed by simply remembering the last seen message. I wonder
VZ> how does c-client map NNTP msg ids into its own UIDs but I suspect that,
VZ> just as for POP, it does something to make NNTP look like IMAP. I'm not
VZ> sure if it succeeds.

Umm, with my trial group, I tried to send a message and although the headers
seemsed OK, it seemsed to be having a bit of trouble convincing SMTP to accept
the message ;-) It seems Newsgroup: is not as acceptable as to: LOL :-)


VZ> 
VZ> ML> Vadim, I think you need to subscribe to c.l.python in Mahogany for a few weeks
VZ> ML> and even with your speedy bandwidth see if you agree with what you wrote at
VZ> ML> the end of that time. Downloading your ISP's entire cache each time you want
VZ> ML> to get the last few new messages is not bandwidth friendly
VZ> 
VZ>  Sure. But what you ask for is not true offline nwsreading, it's just a
VZ> decent online functionality.

I define true offline newsreading as being able to go online and download all
new messages in all groups you subscribe to and having them saved to your
storage device. You then go offline and still have access to all previous news
as well as what you just got. You can read / answer / mark news URL's you want
downloaded next time you go online. When you do, it sends your composed
messages, downloads any news URL's you wanted and new messages in subscribed
groups. It will also  optionally automatically update .newsrc with any new
groups available / inform you / allow subscription. Then the cycle starts
again. If it supports the new news protocol, so much the better than just the
highwater mark method. I do not want news only functional when I have NNTP
server connnectivity as M presently supports.

VZ> ML> But of course :-( Nothing about C-client seems easy! Do you know what made
VZ> ML> Karsten choose it in the first place?
VZ> 
VZ>  It was the only mature library of this kind back then. Although I like to
VZ> rant about c-client (and there is certainly much to rant about), I think
VZ> that if we hadn't used it, M wouldn't exist at all so I can't seriously say
VZ> that it was a bad choice.

Fair enough. Well, France vs Fiji is on so I'm going to watch. Go Fiji <grins,
ducks for cover> ;-D

You certainly have a stirring National Anthem. 

Dr. QA




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