@Habeeb Well said @Toby Thanks for clarification!
What I feel from the common users is that, Free software community also not user friendly (they feel like they know everything), this type of responses only justify this. So please be humble in responding public groups. @Habeeb, I am also from UAE, thank you for your efforts. We also conducted a Free software/Malayalam computing seminar few months back, the response was very good. We are planning a install fest in coming days. If you are interested please contact me. My mobile number is +971-50-6764556 (Murali) thanks On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Mailinglist mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailinglist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: i need to play vedio and audio on ubuntu7.04 (habeeb z) > 2. handling noob questions (Jain Johny) > 3. Re: i need to play vedio and audio on ubuntu7.04 (gingerjoos) > 4. Re: i need to play vedio and audio on ubuntu7.04 (Gejo Paul) > 5. Open Letter to the ILUG Community (Toby Joseph) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:25:44 +0400 > From: habeeb z <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] i need to play vedio and audio on > ubuntu7.04 > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jain Johny <[email protected]> wrote: >> etc... questions about playing music and games are against the >>> "intended purpose" of this group . :-) >> >> You are wrong. The "intended purpose" of this group is to discuss and teach >> Free Software philosophy. :P >> > > wondering if we want to spread/teach this philosophy only among the > techies / gurus / engg. students?? what abt the common people? they > are not our target? in my opinion, if we want them to listen to us, > first we have to encourage them to use linux or other oss (where FS > philosophy has been practically implemented). > > here is my xperience in the UAE. I did several installations for > people who got impressed with linux seeing it on my laptop, with the > intention of taking my part in this movement. BUT UNFORTUNATELY > MAJORITY OF THEM CAME BACK TO ME TO GET THE LINUX REMOVED FROM THEIR > PCs when I WAS UNABLE TO ANSWER THIER QUERIES OR RESOLVE THE ISSUES > THEY FACED. With my limited knowledge (i'm just an > intermediate/slightly advanced user) i was unable to support them, so > i had no other choice but help them to remove. > > I learned a lesson from this. I cannot make people long-term linux > users just showing them linux gui with compiz fusion and all, i have > to transfer the knowledge and give support. I always feel sorry coz i > could not do that. > > My point is, if we are committed to spread Linux and philosophy of > Free Software and want to encourage people to use Linux, we have to be > more supportive when people with limited or no knowledge of Linux come > up with questions. this support is to be given in the area where they > are interested. if a new user asks me "my linux box plays videos with > low quality. then what is the advantage of using linux over windows?" > i should not answer him "but your license allows you to modify and > redistribute your linux" or something in that level. > > sorry for this long mail and please correct me if i am at the wrong end. > -- > habib > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:55:53 +0530 > From: Jain Johny <[email protected]> > Subject: [ILUG-Cochin.org] handling noob questions > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Habeeb, you are absolutely right. > > I like to add my $0.02 > > $0.01) You don't have to teach philosophy. Its boring and practically > useless for beginners. They will learn it as they use free s/w. > $0.02) If you ask RMS about Linux, he will ask you to use Gobuntu. But in my > opinion, using some proprietary software is not wrong. I would prefer a > proprietary s/w which *works* instead of a free s/w which doesnt work. The > ultimate aim should be to improve the usability and friendliness of the > system and to learn about the system. One day if you find that this "xyz" > proprietary s/w is harmful, you can remove it. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM, habeeb z <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jain Johny <[email protected]> wrote: >> > etc... questions about playing music and games are against the >> >> "intended purpose" of this group . :-) >> > >> > You are wrong. The "intended purpose" of this group is to discuss and >> teach >> > Free Software philosophy. :P >> > >> >> wondering if we want to spread/teach this philosophy only among the >> techies / gurus / engg. students?? what abt the common people? they >> are not our target? in my opinion, if we want them to listen to us, >> first we have to encourage them to use linux or other oss (where FS >> philosophy has been practically implemented). >> >> here is my xperience in the UAE. I did several installations for >> people who got impressed with linux seeing it on my laptop, with the >> intention of taking my part in this movement. BUT UNFORTUNATELY >> MAJORITY OF THEM CAME BACK TO ME TO GET THE LINUX REMOVED FROM THEIR >> PCs when I WAS UNABLE TO ANSWER THIER QUERIES OR RESOLVE THE ISSUES >> THEY FACED. With my limited knowledge (i'm just an >> intermediate/slightly advanced user) i was unable to support them, so >> i had no other choice but help them to remove. >> >> I learned a lesson from this. I cannot make people long-term linux >> users just showing them linux gui with compiz fusion and all, i have >> to transfer the knowledge and give support. I always feel sorry coz i >> could not do that. >> >> My point is, if we are committed to spread Linux and philosophy of >> Free Software and want to encourage people to use Linux, we have to be >> more supportive when people with limited or no knowledge of Linux come >> up with questions. this support is to be given in the area where they >> are interested. if a new user asks me "my linux box plays videos with >> low quality. then what is the advantage of using linux over windows?" >> i should not answer him "but your license allows you to modify and >> redistribute your linux" or something in that level. >> >> sorry for this long mail and please correct me if i am at the wrong end. >> -- >> habib >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailinglist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Jain M Johny > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20090119/bc7ad0f8/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:38:18 +0530 > From: gingerjoos <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] i need to play vedio and audio on > ubuntu7.04 > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM, habeeb z <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I learned a lesson from this. I cannot make people long-term linux >> users just showing them linux gui with compiz fusion and all, i have >> to transfer the knowledge and give support. I always feel sorry coz i >> could not do that. >> >> My point is, if we are committed to spread Linux and philosophy of >> Free Software and want to encourage people to use Linux, we have to be >> more supportive when people with limited or no knowledge of Linux come >> up with questions. this support is to be given in the area where they >> are interested. if a new user asks me "my linux box plays videos with >> low quality. then what is the advantage of using linux over windows?" >> i should not answer him "but your license allows you to modify and >> redistribute your linux" or something in that level. >> >> sorry for this long mail and please correct me if i am at the wrong end. >> -- >> habib > > well said. By discouraging "noobz" we're being selfish, aren't we? :) > Don't we want to share this gift with everyone? Isn't that one of the > fundamental ideas of free software? If we want to share properly, we > should stop being rude towards "noobz". I doubt if anyone here was > born with the entire Linux kernel code imprinted in his/her brain. > Everyone was a newbie once. > > Anirudh > > -- > Orbis Non Sufficit > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:48:38 +0530 > From: "Gejo Paul" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] i need to play vedio and audio on > ubuntu7.04 > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Check whether your file is opening on VLC player, what is the extension of > file you are trying to open? > > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html > > Regards > Gejo > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:38 PM, gingerjoos <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM, habeeb z <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I learned a lesson from this. I cannot make people long-term linux >> > users just showing them linux gui with compiz fusion and all, i have >> > to transfer the knowledge and give support. I always feel sorry coz i >> > could not do that. >> > >> > My point is, if we are committed to spread Linux and philosophy of >> > Free Software and want to encourage people to use Linux, we have to be >> > more supportive when people with limited or no knowledge of Linux come >> > up with questions. this support is to be given in the area where they >> > are interested. if a new user asks me "my linux box plays videos with >> > low quality. then what is the advantage of using linux over windows?" >> > i should not answer him "but your license allows you to modify and >> > redistribute your linux" or something in that level. >> > >> > sorry for this long mail and please correct me if i am at the wrong end. >> > -- >> > habib >> >> well said. By discouraging "noobz" we're being selfish, aren't we? :) >> Don't we want to share this gift with everyone? Isn't that one of the >> fundamental ideas of free software? If we want to share properly, we >> should stop being rude towards "noobz". I doubt if anyone here was >> born with the entire Linux kernel code imprinted in his/her brain. >> Everyone was a newbie once. >> >> Anirudh >> >> -- >> Orbis Non Sufficit >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailinglist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org >> > > > > -- > Best Regards > Gejo Paul > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20090119/9db80d14/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:56:16 +0530 (IST) > From: Toby Joseph <[email protected]> > Subject: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Open Letter to the ILUG Community > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Open Letter to the ILUG Community > > Dear All, > > I always thought the objective of this group was to promote and spread the > use of Linux and other Free Software among all sections of society. To make > such statements like Mr. Madhu Kannan just did is to say that either the ILUG > members are inept at solving technical queries when it comes to matters other > than 'high funda programming', as he puts it across, and networking or that > ILUG does not promote Linux for any purposes other than the two above or that > Linux is not a good OS for gaming and multimedia, none of which are true. As > a Linux enthusiast and an avid gamer myself, I feel hurt by such statements > and hope that they are not repeated again in the future. Otherwise, newcomers > to Linux, who obviously are no experts, would feel discouraged and tend to > classify it as a geek-friendly OS, a popular misconception which many have > tried hard to dispel. > > Just how exactly do you think all those Linux experts came to be experts in > the first place? I daresay they too were beginners when they started using > Linux. If they had not received enough support from other Linux users, they > probably would have abandoned Linux in favour of more user-friendly and > sometimes even proprietary operating systems. All that work done on improving > the user interface to make Linux more user-friendly in a bid to appeal to > newcomers and beginners would have gone down the drain if Linux was meant to > be used only by programmers and network adminstrators. > > Regards, > Toby > > ya ya you should only ask questions about some high funda programming > networking etc... questions about playing music and games are against the > "intended purpose" of this group . :-) > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! 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