On 10/02/2017 05:37 PM, Terry . wrote: > > I don’t understand why either. Maybe the address is supposed to exist in > Exim, and not be visible via cPanel's interface (e.g. under "Forwarders"). > But it makes me wonder whether everything will work as designed with Mailman > under the current version of cPanel (11.66.0.23).
cPanel's Mailman is a kludge. Many things don't work as a non-cPanel Mailman user would expect. This is a result of cPanel's patches that allow lists of the same name in different domains to exist in a single Mailman installation. This in turn is necessary for them to be able to offer Mailman in more or less turnkey, multi-domain hosting environments which in the long run has been good for Mailman by allowing hosting services to offer Mailman to not highly sophisticated customers. Unfortunately it has also led to a number of situations where Mailman is available to a customer of a cPanel hosting service, whose admins have no interest in supporting Mailman. The most major change in cPanel is the list name. A list named mylist in the example.com domain is really named mylist_example.com and a list named mylist in the example.net domain is really named mylist_example.net. This leads to confusion and some minor things like Sibling lists either not working or requiring apparent list addresses like [email protected]. For the ordinary email case, the Exim Mailman router knows to deliver mail to mylist(-*)@example.com to the mylist_example.com list and mail to mylist(-*)@example.net to the mylist_example.net list. However, this all breaks down with '[email protected]' because there is only one 'mailman' site list and its name is 'mailman', not 'mailman_example.com'. Thus, since this used to work, something has changed in cPanel's Exim config so that mail with envelope from [email protected] is no longer deliverable because [email protected] is not a valid address ([email protected] might be). However, I'm confused because I know there are a couple of cPanel Mailman hosting services who's admins are on this list and are very conscientious, and they don't seem to see this issue. > If I create a new list (e.g. [email protected], as I did today), the only > forwarder that cPanel creates (and allows me to see) is: > [email protected] which forwards emails to > [email protected]. This "forwarder" is a kludge to allow mail to [email protected] to be delivered to the [email protected] owner because someone at cPanel thinks that that address should work that way even though Mailman itself only exposes [email protected] ad an owner address. As I said, normal mail delivery to list addresses is handled by cPanel's Mailman router, not by aliases or "forwarders" > If any emails actually get sent to [email protected], then I > assume they'll end up in my [email protected] mailbox, (whether I have > the "Default Address" set to that catchall address, or I have a forwarder > forwarding emails from [email protected] to some mailbox), > right??? I assume mailman isn't going to look in that catchall mailbox for > anything, so do those emails still get processed because of what Mark said > about Exim? I think all the above is correct. As far as Mailman processing those bounces is concerned, they are normally just forwarded to the site list owner. If they go to your catchall address instead, that's probably better. > I received a couple of "Bounce action notification" emails this week, due to > list members' mailboxes being over quota, and they seemed to come through to > me OK. They were sent from "MyListName > [[email protected]] on behalf of > [email protected]" to [email protected]. > > Is there anything else I can test to ensure all is working OK in regard to > administrative addresses which mailman receives emails at? I'm sure the admin addresses for your lists work just fine. You can test by sending mail to them. -bounces is problematic, but -owner should go to the owner and -request, -confirm, -subscribe (-join), -unsubscribe (-leave) should all send some kind of reply. It's only 'mailman-bounces' (and other 'mailman' list addresses) that's problematic. -- Mark Sapiro <[email protected]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
