On 8/26/20 3:14 PM, Chip Davis wrote:
All of my dozen Mailman instances run on shared servers. I have no
control over the release/distro on which I am hosted. But my
providers have a bazillion (est.) customers running Mailman2 and, for
a number of reasons, are not terribly eager to force us all to convert
to Mailman3. By all reports, it is not an easy migration, nor are all
features supported. From their standpoint, maintaining a stable, if
backlevel, Python2 to support MM2 is merely a matter of DASD, with far
lower support costs than moving to Py3/MM3.
I think Jim's conclusion of MM2's continued viability is valid, and
the idea of having a subset of the dev team continue to
support/enhance it is a good idea. And I like the "Classic Mailman"
moniker. :-)
Python 3 is already a part of all major linux distributions. So the
framework should already be there for a Mailman 3 installation. As for
migrating a Mailman 2 list to Mailman 3, that is easy. The Mailman
developers have come up with 2 scripts that do a great job of migrating
Mailman 2 lists into a Mailman 3 server.
What happens when another "Dmarc" occurs? That event dramatically
impacted mailing lists everywhere. At the time, only Mailman 2 needed to
be patched and the Mailman developers did a great job of doing so
quickly. However would that happen now if such an event repeated itself?
Most likely not. Mailman 3 would get the attention and rightfully so.
You are all looking at the wrong thing here. The real question here is
why are you not wanting to move to a Mailman 3 environment? It's not
hard to install anymore. It has a future. It is modern. It as a long
life expectancy and, most importantly, its being supported and developed.
I think the issue here is money and fear. Cheap cPanel hosts include
Mailman 2 with their budget hosting packages and I am pretty sure that
is who you are using. Well fine, then let those hosts take on the
responsibility of keeping Mailman 2 up to date. That is what open source
is all about. For me, Mailman 2 is a dinosaur and its interface is over
20 years old. Mailman 3 is entering the world of modern web development
and that is a great thing for users of Mailman. There are still users of
Majordomo. But they are very few now and for good reason. Mailing lists
are evolving and have moved on.
Get off a ship that is no longer sailing ahead and wants to instead to
permanently anchor in place. It's ok, the new ship is more modern and
has AC!
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